Super Brain host Sabina Brennan continues her conversation with her Fair City daughter Ruth Gilligan.They talk about storytelling and empathy, motherhood and mad cows, identity and Irishness, tradition and modernity, babies and borders but time and again come back back to storytelling and empathy.

Ruth is an ambassador for the global charity Narrative 4, which uses storytelling to foster empathy between diverse young people around the world.

WEBSITE: www.ruthgilligan.com

Twitter: @ruthgilligan

Link to book: https://atlantic-books.co.uk/book/the-butchers/

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