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Today I welcome back my guest, Grant Young, for a conversation that couldn’t be more timely—or more urgent. Together, we take a hard look at the impact of Charlie Kirk, both before and after his tragic death on a college campus, an event that has left people across the country divided, grieving, and searching for answers.

Charlie Kirk rose quickly to national prominence as a central figure in America’s culture wars. He brought politics into the sanctuary, blending evangelical worship with MAGA rallies and voter registration drives. His voice was amplified not only in churches and stadiums, but also in classrooms and legislatures, shaping policy and public perception. Statues in his honor now appear, intended to symbolize dialogue and civil discourse. But do they?

We dig into the contradictions: the image of Kirk as a promoter of “unity” versus the inflammatory rhetoric that too often marked his public statements—about race, religion, immigration, and political opponents. Were his words an expression of truth-telling conviction, or a rejection of the very ideals of mutual respect and dialogue?

Grant and I will explore what Kirk’s rise—and his sudden, violent end—means for the future of faith and politics in America, and what lessons higher education, the church, and all of us might learn in this moment.

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