"Econ 102" with Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg

Sam Altman, the Microsoft Bull Case, OpenAI and AI Live Players - The Riff with Byrne Hobart


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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Introduction from Erik

(00:50) Non obvious thoughts about governance and legal structures

(03:50) Could the board have found out something about Sam?

(05:00) Tech’s online coordination and choosing sides

(06:20) Why haven’t the OpenAI board shared their reasoning?

(12:20) Are they going to bring Sam back?

(15:20) What should OpenAI’s pivot be?

(17:35) Sponsor: Secureframe

(18:40) Analyzing Microsoft's moves and the sweetheart deal

(22:00) Satya's succession plans

(25:05) OpenAI's unique governance structure

(28:10) Why Byrne is long on Microsoft

(36:00) What explains Microsoft's turnaround?

(38:15) Meta and Google

(44:20) Which of these companies Byrne would short: Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook, Microsoft

(46:20) Was this a coup from the Effective Altruism movement?


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