Rick Spence delves into the intriguing world of secret societies, particularly Freemasonry, and their historical significance. He discusses how his academic background in Russian history led him to explore the connections between political revolutions and conspiratorial activities. The conversation also addresses the structure of Freemasonry, the nature of conspiracy, and the oversimplifications often associated with secret societies in popular discourse. In this conversation, Dr. Richard B. Spence and Ryan delve into the intricate relationship between wealth, power, and societal influence. They explore the implications of secret societies, the role of the rich in shaping public perception, and the historical context of things like Operation Paperclip and MKUltra. The discussion also touches on the nature of reality, consciousness, and the potential for social engineering by altering human perception through various means, including hypnosis and technology. Dr. Richard B. Spence delves into the themes of mind control, historical narratives, and the unpredictability of human behavior. He discusses the implications of MKUltra and its legacy, the role of psychedelics in modern society, and the nature of reality as shaped by individual perceptions. The conversation emphasizes the importance of observation and the acceptance of uncertainty in understanding life and history.

Richard Spence is a professor of History. He specializes in Russian intelligence and military history, Modern Espionage, Anti-Semitism and the Holocaust, History of Secret Societies and the Occult in History.

Chapters

00:00 Exploring the Fascination with Secret Societies

10:51 The Structure and Organization of Freemasonry

19:08 Conspiracy: Definition and Misconceptions

37:40 Oversimplifications of Secret Societies and Their Influence

41:33 The Influence of Wealth and Power

52:35 Exploring Operation Paperclip and MKUltra

01:03:23 The Nature of Reality and Human Consciousness

01:29:09 Mind Control and Hypnosis in Film

01:32:01 The Dark History of MKUltra

01:35:03 The Legacy of Mind Control Experiments

01:38:57 Psychedelics and Modern Manipulation

01:41:00 The Nature of Reality and Historical Narratives

01:48:03 The Unpredictability of Human Behavior

02:01:02 Observing Life Without Attachment

Rick Spence https://www.uidaho.edu/class/history/faculty-staff/richard-spence

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