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To welcome 2023, Kate and Brodie are returning to the source: the proto-feminist punk classic, Ladies and Gentlemen, the Fabulous Stains.

It's 1980 and a couple of punk bands roll into the steel town of Charlston, USA. In the audience are Corinne "Third Degree" Burns" (Diane Lane) and her sister Tracy (Marin Kantor), orphaned teens trying to make ends meet after their mum's death, and their cousin Jessica (Laura Dern). They yearn for a way out, for a way to better themselves. By the time the Metal Corpses and the Looters leave for their next tour, The Stains – the girls' band – has joined them as the support act. What happens next, the ignominious break-up of the Looters and the huge success of The Stains, was the feminist fantasy that, in real life, made the film a cult inspiration for the Riot Grrrl movement. Written by Nancy Dowd and directed by Lou Adler, Ladies and Gentlemen, the Fabulous Stains prove why every citizen should be given an electric guitar on her 16th birthday.

See Alsos

• Stainspage on Caroline Coon's website
• NPR's piece on the influence of the film on riot grrrl, featuring Alison Wolfe from Bratmobile, tied to the release of (ARP Hive!) Her Smell
• SPIN's 2008 oral history of The Fabulous Stains
• Greta Balog, who painted the Laura Dern portrait in BL's house

Watch Also

• Times Square
• I Was a Teenage Serial Killer
• Mary-Jane is Not a Virgin Anymore
• The Weather Underground
• The Go-Go's (2020 documentary)
• Smooth Talk
• Green Room
• SLC Punk

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This week, See Also is feeling flung out of space. For a very special holiday Poodle, Kate is joined by Chelsea Fairless, co-host of Every Outfit on SATC, for a virtual glove-lunch. Together, they play 1950s and devolve into "dyke debauchery" while discussing our fave and yours: Carol. They cover the martinis and creamed spinach, Our Cate's voice and her period-inappropriate manicure. Also: Alsos!

Based on crime novelist Patricia Highsmith’s "The Price of Salt", Carol (2015) is a contemporary – and somewhat unlikely – Christmas classic from director Todd Haynes and screenwriter Phyllis Nagy, who deftly nails the spirit of the original text. That spirit is the tingling, electric air between Carol (Cate Blanchett), a married woman with a small child, and Therese (Rooney Mara) a young amateur photographer moonlighting as a department store Christmas casual. Their paths cross one morning in the toy department, a glance makes way for some light shopping chit-chat, and the seed is sewn, a glove left on the counter, and there it is – an opportunity for a second meeting, and a cross-country road trip, against all odds (which include Carol’s estranged husband Herge, a gun and a looming custody battle).

See Also:

• The original short story Carol/The Price of Salt is based on
• Screenwriter Phyllis Nagy discussing the way the film finally came together
• Kate McKinnon's Carol parody for the Film Independent Spirit Awards
• King Princess song 1950, inspired by Carol
• Forbidden Love: The Passions behind Patricia Highsmith's "The Price of Salt"
• "Carol" Up Close

Watch Also:

• Tár
• Loving Highsmith (with caveats discussed in the episode)
• Nelly & Nadine
• Word is Out: These are the Stories of Some of our Lives
• The Children's Hour
• The Killing of Sister George
• Desert Hearts
• High Art
• The L Word & The L Word: Generation Q (LOL)

Also Alsos:

Chels recommends: Byredo lipstick in Subtropical, Lana Del Rey - Did you know that there's a tunnel under Ocean Blvd

Jinxy recommends: her Zodiac Club extended playlist on Spotify, Gay Bar: Why We Went Out by Jamie Atherton Lin, Je Tu Il Elle

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This week, Jinxy is back from India with a story about the beautiful, secret performance she received there. BL is back from a music festival and got the names of both big music moments wrong (it was Slow by Kylie and Once in a Lifetime by Talking Heads lol). They catch up on the White Lotus season 2 finale – if you're still somehow avoiding spoilers, skip from the music cue to 44:50. After that, Brodie debriefs Kate on the TV adaptation of Taffy Brodesser-Akner's novel, Fleischman is in Trouble, which is in trouble for being a bad show. Also: Alsos!

We'll be back next week with a special episode on Todd Haynes's Carol, featuring Chelsea Fairless from the Every Outfit podcast.

Then, after a couple of weeks off over the holidays, we'll be back in your feed with a Poodle episode on the ICONIC Ladies and Gentlemen, the Fabulous Stains

See Alsos

Jennifer Coolidge interview in Vulture

Silent Land by Aga Woszczynska (on Binge and Stan in Australia)

Triangle of Sadness by Ruben Ostlund (in cinemas in Aus from Boxing Day)

Recent study about obstetric violence in Australia

Emily Gould's piece on Fleischman is in Trouble in London Review of Books

Also Alsos

Hanami nail polish

Mud porcelain house letters

Suicoke kissee-v

Mysore sandal soap (from Indian grocers or online)

Susan Spungen holiday cookies

Heide membership

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This week, Brodie gives Kate an exhaustive and exhausting recap of two shocking pieces of media: the first episode of Bethenny Frankel's new podcast, and the Selena Gomez "documentary". They's both watched Falling For Christmas and have two questions: Is the LiLo renaissance here? And is Rebel Wilson being paid by Big Concussion? Then, finally, they check in on the latest in a long, neverending line of Princess Diana stories to make it on screen. Why are we so fascinated? Will we ever stop being so fascinated? Is Heather Gay like the Mormon Princess Di? All the big questions. Also: Alsos!

See Alsos

SUP's 'Lohan Island' series

The new (third?!) Rebel Wilson brain damage movie

Overboard

The Princess (on Stan)

Spencer

Diana: Style Icon – A Celebration of the Fashion of Lady Diana Spencer, Princess of Wales

Unsmart Lady by Dry Cleaning

The Diana Crewneck from Moby Thrift

Also Alsos

POD ALSO: Work Appropriate

WATCH ALSO: High School (on Amazon Prime)

BOOK ALSO: Friends and Strangers by by J. Courtney Sullivan

POD ALSO: Death Valley Girls podcast

COOKBOOK ALSO: Chinese-ish: Home cooking, not quite authentic, 100% delicious by Joanna Hu and Rosheen Kaul

RE–USE ALSO: Ever Eco Baking Mats + Food Pouches

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This week, Kate and Brodie are debriefing on the men who eat chicken and the non-binary drummers who shill it in ads. They marvel at the items up for auction from Joan Didion's home, and dig into the latest instalments in the Don't Worry Darling Extended Universe (aka My Policeman and The Wonder). Then, they catch up on season 2 of The White Lotus and realise Mrs Harris Goes to Paris is a real-life version of a very special little bear's journey to the big city. Also: Alsos!

See Alsos

Taylor Swift's High Infidelity – the riot edit and the Calvin/Tom theory

Rotisserie chicken guy

Chrishell and G Flip on Halloween

'An American Icon: Property from the Collection of Joan Didion - November 16, 2022'

Alba Thermal Springs and Spa

Michael Farneti's album 'Looking For a Goddess' + song The River

Meet the SAHG (stay at home girlfriends) of TikTok!!!

The White Lotus

Mike White interviewed by Naomi Fry on the New Yorker Radio Hour

Emily the Criminal is now on Apple TV

Enlightened

Flowers

Beatriz at Dinner (on SBS)

Mrs Harris Goes to Paris

Interview with costume designer

Another Year (and all the Lesley x Mike Leigh joints!)

Phantom Thread

Also Alsos

WORM ALSO: ModBed Balcony Garden & Compost Bundle

WATCH ALSO Buying Beverly Hills (on Netflix)

LISTEN ALSO: Drugdealer Hiding in Plain Sight

SHOES ALSO: ORTOREX™ slippers

DRINK ALSO: Molly Rose Brewing Co

SKIN ALSO: Megababe Thigh Rescue Anti Friction Stick

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This week, Kate and Brodie are heading back to Woodsboro, back to where it all began the night Casey Becker got a phone call from someone will a love of scary movies. That's right baby, we're talking about Wes Craven's Sidney Prescott trilogy: Scream, Scream 2 and Sream 3. There might not be Also Alsos this week, but don't worry, there's still plenty of further reading and ideas to Add To Cart – or at least Open in New Tab.

See Alsos

• The Ringer's SCREAM oral history (read / listen)
• On Scream 3's Harvey Weinstein analog, and Rose McGowan's book
• BL's article on Sid and survivors (it's not very good!!)
• @cyguy83 on Instagram (not CyGuy88 as Brodie called him in the ep)
• The Final Girls podcast
• Drew Barrymore's haunting talk show interview with the cast promoting 5cream, and talking about her role in the original

Watch Also

• Black Christmas

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This week, Kate and Brodie are doing a housewives check-in. We cover the new RHONY cast members, debrief on SLC and discuss the bad sisters on RHOBH and on Apple TV's series, Bad Sisters. It finished last week and we have a lot of accent work to cover. Sorry Ireland! Also: we saw Bros and Barbarian. Also: Alsos!

See Alsos

Jinxy is reading Sally Olds' collection of essays 'People Who Lunch'

BL is reading her cat's namesake's book, 'What Remains'

Joanna Hogg and Tilda Swinton admire foam

Gawker susses out our new kosher housewife

Jenna Lyons owns a Jonathan Zawada table!

Bros was set up to fail

Guy Branum talks Bros with Sam Sanders

Sharon Horgan on needing audiences to want to see a guy die

Music from Bad Sisters

Don't Breathe (2016)

The Brood (1979)

The Descent (2005)

Berlin Syndrome (book and film)

Death Proof (2007)

Also Alsos

READ ALSO: Deborah Levy's Hot Milk

READ ALSO: Alice Oehr's 'Off to the Market'

DRINK ALSO: The 2022 Rainbow Juice from Gentle Folk

BAGS ALSO: Baggu Puffy Laptop Sleeve in Trippy Swirl Salmon

GHOST ALSO: 'What Ghost Stories Taught Me About My Queer Self' by Nell Stevens in the New Yorker

WATCH ALSO: Saint Maud (2019)

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This week, Kate and Brodie are joined by investigator, podcaster and fan of physical media Alexei Toliopoulos to chat Finding Yeezus and the discourse surrounding Blonde and Don't Worry Darling.

See Alsos

Alexei's podcasts with Cameron James are Total Reboot, Finding Drago and Finding Desperado

Watch Finding Yeezus!!!

You Must Remember – Dead Blondes

On the set design of Don't Worry Darling and the idealism of the 50s

The Stepford Wives and the idea of a housewife as a kind of technology

Also Alsos

WATCH ALSO: Heat lol

READ ALSO: Derek Jarman's 'Modern Nature'

WATCH ALSO: The Stranger

DESSERT ALSO: Iced coffee sundae recipe

COOK ALSO: Hawa Hassan's Sukuma Wiki

READ ALSO: Woman Eating by Claire Kohda

GIG ALSO: Chapterfest 30! is on at Northcote Theatre on 5 November 2022

ART ALSO: Kirsty Budge's show 'I've Got Half a Mind', on at Daine Singer in Brunswick

WATCH ALSO: Def by Temptation

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This, Kate and Brodie are covering all the hot celebs: Emma Chamberlain, Brooklyn Peltz-Beckham and Susan Boyle. They debrief and disagree on Hocus Pocus 2, but it's okay!!!

And now for your links:

k.d. lang & the Reclines performing Johnny Get Angry

Alex Ross Perry's video for Pavement's 'Harness Your Hopes

Rachel Tashjian's Harpers newsletter

Bones and All trailer

Give Me Pity! @ Metamorphoses in Melbourne, 20–23 Oct

Christine Quinn, Lisa Rinna and The Beckhams at PFW

Susan Boyle's house tour for OK Magazine vs Emma Chamberlain's for AD lol

Jazmine Hughes's NYTMag story on Whoopi

Into It podcast

ALSOS

SANDWICH ALSO: Stefanino Panino

LISTEN ALSO: Numero Group's playlists on NTS/Spotify

COOKBOOK ALSO: Eric Kim's Korean American from Books for Cooks

COFFEE ALSO: Hario Mizudashi Cold Brew Pot

PLANT ALSO: Ivy Muse plant stakes

LISTEN ALSO: Florist self-titled album

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This week, Kate and Brodie are checking in to talk about women in olde-timey societies via The Handmaid's Tale, Catherine Called Birdy and You Won't Be Alone.

See Alsos

Handmaid's Tale

Enough with dystopian stories. We need more hope and less gloom by Olivia Laing

Elisabeth Moss profile in The New Yorker

Catherine Called Birdy

Lena Dunham profile in The Guardian + the podcasts Little Gold Men, Talk Easy and How Long Gone

The C–Word

Episode 6 of this podcast

You Won't Be Alone

Would You Look At Her

Interview with Goran on The Screen Show + the Guardian + with Jason Di Rossi

+ watch out for OF AN AGE

Also Alsos

TOFU ALSO: Tofu Shoten

POD ALSO: Death of an Artist by Helen Molesworth

FLOWER ALSO: Grossy Pelosi's tips for tulip care

WATCH ALSO: Finding Yeezus

COOK ALSO: Anything Goes Green Goddess Salad recipe

COOK ALSO: Vegan brownies with soy sauce butterscotch

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