Ben and Ione celebrate Ione's daughter graduating from Sydney Uni — the first in her family — and unpack what an Australian graduation ceremony actually looks like (part Downton Abbey, part casual). They dissect the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Part 3 reunion, debate the ethics of celebrity course-selling, and induct Mac DeMarco, Leonardo DiCaprio and Trent Reznor into the Ione Skye Hall of Fame Mispronunciations. Ben reflects on performing in Alice Springs the night after the vigil for Kumanjayi Little Baby, and why music is good medicine even when it feels trite. Plus: the Bluey/ABC rights debate, the expert economy, and divorce finances.

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Tony Hawk and Vincent Gallo slid into our DMs this week — turns out Gen X icons are feeling the pod. We dig into Beef Season 2 and whether art should have off-limits subjects after Zendaya's controversial new film "The Drama". We uncover the genuinely wild link between The Rolling Stones and The Wiggles. Plus: Ione's mural at the Beastie Boys' G Son Studios was just rediscovered behind Diplo's drywall, and we're heading to Japan.

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Ben and Ione open with childhood party games (Catch and Kiss vs Seven Minutes in Heaven), then riff on their Pulp/Dave Grohl clip going viral and what it means to be living in "clip culture" where people quote your Shorts but never listen to the pod. Ione shares a tantalising story about a famous actress at a Hollywood party she can't name. They debate Gen X restraint on the internet versus younger generations' oversharing. Ben recounts a Bondi Boys album launch that felt like an 80s NYC loft party (no MDMA in the wine, definitely not). The second half digs into Lena Dunham's #1 NYT book, why divisive women in culture get asked to play the "mad bad crazy witch" role, and the Patti Smith vs Lena Dunham model of provocation. And finally a chat about the tactile fanzine revival moment — after an enlightening experience printing actual flyers for his May shows with Zoe from The Boys.

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We are back with a wide-ranging one — was the rise of indie rock darlings Geese artificially manufactured? Ben recounts his debate with Dave Grohl about whether popular always means good. They dig into what happens to psychedelics when they get institutionalized. Ione has a life-changing moment at the Mountain Goats show. And The Bens almost played Coachella in 2003.

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Chatting Coachella, Love on the Spectrum. Trust Me: The False Prophet.

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Legendary songwriter ("Sister Golden Hair", "Ventura Highway"), member of the band America, Gerry Beckley, joins us today to chat wedding songs, George Martin, his relationship to Australia and how its all about "the show".

We also chat about Billy Corgan/Courtney Love vs Kim Gordon/Steven Malkmus class war....

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