I received an email last month from two Dutchmen who have been sailing around the world for 8 years in search of climate solutions. They asked to visit my home and chat. I obliged, and I'm so happy I did.

On today's show: an in-person interview with Floris van Hees and Ivar Smits — also affectionately known as Sailors For Sustainability — about the wisdom they've gained from their adventure.

Here's a preview of 4 pieces of wisdom we are discussing today: 

[7:00] Leaving the "golden cage" is big risk, sure. But there's also big reward

[16:00] America isn't normal!

[22:00] Bad news sells, but there's plenty of good going on in the world because humans are incredibly adaptable

[43:00] When the smoke in the global theater thickens, the exit signs will shine brighter