"I'd rather that an unsafe building be torn down, and rebuilt, than carry on living in it--just because I don't want change." Wise words from Gary Hayes, this week's "British Accents" episode on The Preacher's Forum podcast! What's a "theoclasm"? Have you had a "theoclastic experience" yourself? And what does all this have to do with the teachings of Father Richard Rohr?

If you don't know what those terms mean, or what the connection with Rohr might be about, then please listen in for Part 1 of my conversation. It was recorded live from the Root Coffee Shop in downtown Liverpool, England, with Gary Hayes, a teaching colleague and friend.