Jenna and Daniel talk about the business of recovery and their individual experiences with requests for support or appearances. They discuss the importance of utilizing different resources in recovery and not depending on one sole source for support, especially as our recovery needs evolve. They express the frustration that comes from being asked “now what” on social media and how recovery is a life-long journey of work and discovery with no easy answers.

Daniel and Jenna discuss their perspectives on certain activities as Jenna commits to an all-girls 50th birthday weekend and Daniel plans a sober camping trip. They talk about how their current outlooks and expectations with these types of trips have shifted as compared to how they felt in early sobriety. They consider social anxiety and the realization of being an introvert once they settled (and are settling) into sober life, and Jenna talks about her struggle committing to sober hobbies.

Daniel and Jenna talk about their experiences with weddings as Daniel prepares to officiate a ceremony for a former student. Daniel considers being reunited with people whom he hasn’t seen since his active addiction, and the potential of it being a redemptive experience

Jenna and Daniel discuss how their obstinance and unwillingness to accept their addiction delayed their recovery process. Jenna talks about feeling resentment and animosity towards her husband with his attempts to convince her to change. They consider their experiences with encouraging healthy lifestyle choices post-sobriety, and how that can sometimes echo the advice they were given in active addiction.

Jenna and Daniel talk about their experiences with spring break which leads to a discussion about the challenges of sober travel. They consider sober travel and accepting that certain types of trips are no longer and option in sobriety. Daniel recalls a story about being hung over on Easter and how his wife didn’t allow a pass for his behaviors the night before. They discuss using alcohol as a hangover cure and the inevitable misery they would feel as a result.

Daniel and Jenna talk about long-standing anxiety and depression, and how drinking is sometimes used to battle overwhelming feelings when in reality it exacerbates them. They discuss coping mechanisms and methods used to battle anxiety and depression in sobriety.

Jenna and Daniel discuss the process of amends and their individual approaches to expressing an apology for regretted behaviors. They analyze the motivation for making amends and consider the potential self-serving nature of doing so.

Daniel and Jenna talk about celebrating St. Patrick’s Day as well as other upcoming dates on the calendar that give occasion to drink. They talk about the pressure of giving up on sobriety on these days and how it can be an opportunity to prove your drunk voice wrong. They discuss their different approaches to being social, sitting it out, battling boredom, and future tripping.

Daniel and Jenna welcome their first guest, Laura McKowen. Laura is the author of a bestselling memoir and founder of “The Luckiest Club”, a global sobriety support community. Laura tells her sober story, talks about what inspired her to start writing about recovery and start an online sober community, and discusses the main theme of her upcoming book “Push Off From Here” being released on March 7th.

Jenna and Daniel recall the extreme measures they went through during active addiction and believing their own lies, specifically as it applies to what they would tell their families to maintain a buzz. They remember specific scenarios where behaviors that they thought were “normal” ended up with embarrassing outcomes.