On this special episode of the podcast, Jaan Tallinn talks with Nathan Labenz about Jaan's model of AI risk, the future of AI development, and pausing giant AI experiments.

Timestamps:

0:00 Nathan introduces Jaan

4:22 AI safety and Future of Life Institute

5:55 Jaan's first meeting with Eliezer Yudkowsky

12:04 Future of AI evolution

14:58 Jaan's investments in AI companies

23:06 The emerging danger paradigm

26:53 Economic transformation with AI

32:31 AI supervising itself

34:06 Language models and validation

38:49 Lack of insight into evolutionary selection process

41:56 Current estimate for life-ending catastrophe

44:52 Inverse scaling law

53:03 Our luck given the softness of language models

55:07 Future of language models

59:43 The Moore's law of mad science

1:01:45 GPT-5 type project

1:07:43 The AI race dynamics

1:09:43 AI alignment with the latest models

1:13:14 AI research investment and safety

1:19:43 What a six-month pause buys us

1:25:44 AI passing the Turing Test

1:28:16 AI safety and risk

1:32:01 Responsible AI development.

1:40:03 Neuralink implant technology