This week, in the run up to Christmas, Em and Al speak have decided to turn the spotlight onto Ukraine. With the war still raging on, the girls wanted to understand more about what was happening on the ground and what we can all do to help. First, they spoke to Ukrainian lawyer Nadiya Bilous who is on the board of Dattalion. Dattalion is an open-source database containing Ukraine war footage and a list of verified eyewitnesses to the invasion. Founded and run by women, it was created to fight disinformation. They then spoke to Liza, a musician who escaped Ukraine (and coincidentally lives with previous guest Lizzie Pickering in the UK) about the emotional impact of fleeing her home.

Find out more and follow Dattalion's work here: https://dattalion.com/

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