Today, we’re diving into everyone’s favorite Statecraft topic: administrative law! The two court cases we’re discussing could have huge ramifications for how we build things in America.

We brought three of our favorite administrative law professors together: James Coleman is a professor at the University of Minnesota, Adam White is the Executive Director of the Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State at George Mason University, and Nicholas Bagley is a professor at the University of Michigan and was Chief General Counsel to Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.

We discussed:

* Why the National Environmental Policy Act is a problem

* How a small White House office grew to wield power Congress never gave it

* Why a seemingly simple environmental case has thrown environmental regulations into doubt

* Why D.C. appellate lawyers don’t challenge laws they believe are wrong

* The potential for reforming environmental review

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Today's interviewee has been my white whale for a while. Edward Luttwak was born in 1942, and since then he's lived a wilder life than anyone I know. From Chairman Mao's funeral to late nights drinking with Putin, Luttwak's seen it all.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(1:30) How to stage a coup in the 21st century

(8:21) Why Luttwak is responsible for a global decline in coups

(16:57) Iran’s real goals in the Middle East

(27:30) Why the CIA can’t go undercover or recruit talent

(41:11) Staffing Reagan’s presidential transition team

(44:03) Why we need more waste at the Pentagon

(57:31) How the war in Ukraine will end

(1:03:47) China’s great military challenge

(1:07:46) Snorkeling in French Polynesia

(1:09:48) Working for a Kazakh dictator

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Brief intros: Nicholas Bagley was General Counsel to Governor Gretchen Whitmer. Kathy Stack served almost three decades at the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). Jenny Mattingley also served at the OMB, focusing on hiring reform and workforce efforts.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(04:42) “I think all three of you have something to say about the Paperwork Reduction Act.”

(12:38) A one-way ratchet

(22:16) How to get a new form approved

(32:04) Why is there no natural constituency to improve this?

(42:14) Inheriting judicial review from the Civil Rights era

(59:13) What should be on the new administration’s agenda?

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I’ve been trying to get a conversation with today’s interviewee, Eric Van Gieson, PhD, since March. Van Gieson is a remarkable character, with a crazy CV: more than 25 years of experience in developing medical technology, and stints at multiple federal agencies including DARPA.

A lot of people have spilled a lot of ink discussing what went wrong during COVID, but I think what Van Gieson lays out here is close to a comprehensive account of the reasons we blew it, and how not to blow it in the future.

We discuss:

* Why is the federal “pandemic preparedness” apparatus so sprawling?

* Why haven’t we learned from COVID mistakes, or even run reviews on what went wrong?

* How would you revamp the federal apparatus to be ready for the next pandemic?

* We don’t test whether generic drugs can fight pathogens. Why not??

* How did Van Gieson and colleagues ship a flying Ebola hospital in 6 weeks?

* How can we make sure DARPA-developed biotech doesn’t end up in the hands of adversaries?

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Today’s interviewee is Chris Anderson. Anderson’s a former DoD program manager who served in a unique organization called the US Army Asymmetric Warfare Group (AWG). Anderson is currently the Chief Operating Officer at Troika Solutions, a defense consulting firm based in Virginia.  

We discussed:

The birth of the Asymmetric Warfare Group

Why American troops in Afghanistan couldn’t strike Taliban operatives

Why the military avoids risky technology, even when it would save lives

What we’ve learned about drones from Ukraine

The difference between drone use in Ukraine and in the Indo-Pacific

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I had the distinct pleasure of hosting Trae Stephens and Michael Kratsios on a panel in San Francisco in September on the topic of “Rebuilding the arsenal of democracy.” Trae Stephens is a general partner at Founders Fund and a Co-Founder of Anduril, a defense tech company that specializes in advanced autonomous systems.

Michael Kratsios served as Chief Technology Officer of the United States in the Trump White House. He also served as acting undersecretary of defense, where he was responsible for research and engineering efforts at the Defense Department. These days, he’s managing director of Scale AI.

We discussed:

* What’s wrong with the defense industrial base?

* How can we use tools like the Export-Import Bank to beat China?

* Can cutting Chinese tech out of supply chains hurt American companies?

* Will we see more tech talent in the next administration?

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Today’s episode is an interview with a colleague of mine at the Institute for Progress. Ben Jones is an economist who focuses on the sources of economic growth in advanced economies, and he’s a Non-Resident Senior Fellow at IFP.

We recorded this conversation at the second #EconTwitterIRL Conference last month in Lancaster, PA, which IFP hosted alongside the Economic Innovation Group). The other interview at that conference was excellent too: Cardiff Garcia interviewing Paul Krugman.

Jones has served in more than one executive branch role, including as the Senior Economist for Macroeconomics for the White House Council of Economic Advisors (CEA), during the first Obama administration. But what we spent most of our time talking about here was a broader question: What role does federal spending on science play in productivity growth?

Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(2:03) Shadowing Larry Summers at Treasury

(3:46) Do national leaders actually affect economic growth?

(9:22) Whose job is it in the federal government to think about productivity?

(14:12) What market failure is solved by public R&D funding?

(19:45) What does the rise of team science mean for young scientists?

(32:47) Should we be bearish about the entire scientific enterprise?

(51:50) What levers can we pull to increase productivity growth?

(43:53) Audience questions

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Today, we spoke to Dr. Jeffrey Freeman, who directs the National Center for Disaster Medicine and Public Health (NCDMPH). Dr. Freeman leads a team that Congress has tasked with studying something called the National Disaster Medical System, which would coordinate how we treat casualties in the event of a hot war with a peer.

Freeman worries that our on-paper system for distributing patients is likely to collapse once the shooting starts, if we don’t make serious reforms.

Timestamps:

* (00:00) Introduction

* (00:18) Working with INDOPACOM

* (3:55) 1,000 casualties, every day, for 100 days

* (11:27) What private sector hospitals can expect

* (23:43) Preparing for situations you can’t predict

* (37:32) What happens when digital systems go down?

* (44:19) What’s the potential scale of a conflict like this?

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A few months ago, I read a great essay by Sid Jha on the Chevron doctrine.

Sid had also written to me, saying he’d love a Statecraft interview about OIRA, the Office of Regulatory Affairs. It's the division of the Office of Management and the Budget that reviews all major regulations from agencies.

I thought this was a great idea, and I asked if he'd be interested in co-hosting an episode with me. Here’s the result: an interview with John D. Graham, who was the administrator of OIRA under George W. Bush.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(00:43) Where OIRA comes from

(09:20) How cost-benefit analysis got better

(12:59) How OIRA kills regulations

(26:51) Which agencies hate OIRA most

(34:31) Why command and control regulation persists

(39:44) What regulations OIRA focuses on

(46:10) John D. Graham vs. Dick Cheney

(50:46) Graham and the English First movement

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This week’s interview is a live recording of a panel I hosted three weeks ago at the Bottlenecks Conference in San Francisco, with Sam Hammond and Jen Pahlka. We discussed:

(00:00) Introduction

(00:39) Do the right and left disagree about state capacity?

(7:50) Will AI make the whole state capacity debate obsolete?

(11:05) What cues should today’s reformers take from the Progressive Era?

(14:19) Should Trump use Schedule F?

(20:18) Where is there bipartisan agreement on state capacity?

(25:29) Why didn't COVID create more governance changes?

Brief bios: Hammond is a Senior Economist at the Foundation for American Innovation where he focuses on AI policy. Pahlka is a Senior Fellow at the Niskanen Center and the Federation of American Scientists and the author of Recoding America. We’ve interviewed her before.

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