Stephen Jenkinson is an all-around renaissance man. He plays many roles including author, poet, storyteller, cultural activist, and farmer. Stephen received a master's in theology from Harvard and a masters in social work from the University of Toronto. He is the subject of a film called “Griefwalker” which documents his experience as a palliative care worker. He has written a handful of books including the award-winning “Die Wise” which explores our culture’s relationship to dying. In this episode, we speak about what people are really afraid of when it comes to death, what it means to carry the dead, why hope is hopeless & how to be with the dying.