Choose the Hard Way creator Andrew Vontz in conversation with Steve Grant, author of the memoir MAILMAN: My Wild Ride Delivering the Mail in Appalachia and Finally Finding Home.

With rave reviews in The New York Times, the Washington Post, The New Yorker and The Atlantic, the memoir MAILMAN: My Wild Ride Delivering the Mail in Appalachia and Finally Finding Home is one of the hottest literary debuts in recent memory.

Steve is a graduate of the Iowa Writers' Workshop and has been a marketing consultant and behavioral economist for more than 25 years. He's also an Eagle Scout and led the rebranding effort to transform the Boy Scouts of America into Scouting America and is the only person I have personally met who has both been shot by a mass shooter and has also made a movie about a mass shooter.

Find Steve at www.stevegrantworks.com and on Instagram at http://www.instagram.com/stevegrant_mailman.

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Steve and I overlapped in the early 2000s in Los Angeles when I was a journalist and Steve was working at an ad agency with my friend Emily, and many other human beings.

Like every story there's more to Steve's than what you'll read in MAILMAN.

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Grab your envelopes and stamps and buckle into your right-hand drive vehicle, it's time to Mailman.