The one and only Joanna Wiebe, who invented the title, conversion copywriter, joins Rob and Kira for the 14th episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. They talk about Joanna's ambition to be a dermatologist (she's never talked about this publicly before), dropping out of law school on the first day, being a creative writer (and how that was a mistake), what she would do if she had to build her business from scratch today, where Joanna finds inspiration and a bunch of other copy-related questions.  Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript.

The people and stuff we mentioned on the show:

Sponsor: AirStory

Copyhackers

Intuit

The copywriter mastermind

Fresh Skin Care Products

Neil Patel

Rob's Newsletter (which Joanna says is “really good”)

Brain Clark

Copyblogger

Tim Grahl

Jen Havice

Deep Dyve

Joanna’s post on time management

Todd Herman

Dan Kennedy’s Ultimate Sales Letter

Breakthrough Advertising

Joel Klettke

Sam Woods

Dan Martell

AirStory

Laura Weaver

Kira’s website

Rob’s website