Jocelyn Brady is our guest for the 292nd episode of The Copywriter Club Podcast. Jocelyn is a brain and story coach who helps her clients create more out of their lives. She is a former copywriter whose fascination with neuroscience led her down a new path.

Here’s how the conversation goes:

Pig brains – How the heck did they encourage Jocelyn to go down a path of neuroscience?

How tragic events can change the direction of our lives and careers.

How Jocelyn built her copywriting business and agency by accident and worked with big time clients like Nokia, SunTrust, and Prudential.

How persistence is key to building a successful business and why you should think of your business as an experiment.

Making a more interesting ‘about’ page and how to get people curious.

Is everyone a natural storyteller?

Jocelyn’s S.T.O.R.Y framework and how you can apply it to your own stories.

Where do most copywriters mess up when telling stories?

The key to driving the sale versus justifying a purchase.

What are B.S., and how can we

Making big pivots in business – How can we effectively make it happen?

When it may be a good idea to pivot your business.

The #1 struggle in pivoting.

Books and resources Jocelyn recommends to start your own brain journey.

How to incorporate more play into our lives, and why it’s so important for our livelihoods.

Deathbed you – What does that mean and why is it important to Jocelyn’s messaging?

How Jocelyn attracts people into her programs – Going from tangible deliverables to intangible results.

Take an introspective look at your brain and check out this episode.

The people and stuff we mentioned on the show:

The Copywriter Think Tank

Copywriting Income Survey

Kira’s website

Rob’s website

Jocelyn's website

Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg

Words Can Change Your Brain by Andrew Newberg

The Brain That Changes Itself by Norman Doidge

Huberman Lab Podcast 

Play By Stuart Brown 

The Copywriter Club Facebook Group

The Copywriter Underground

Free month of Brain.FM

 

Full Transcript:

Rob Marsh:  It doesn't matter if you write copy or content or whether you work on marketing strategy or sales. Pretty much whatever we do as writers depends on understanding human behavior and the way people think. The more we know, the better we can communicate. And our guest for today's episode of The Copywriter Club podcast is a former copywriter and current brain coach Jocelyn Brady. She stopped by to help us understand how the brain works, what it takes to create curiosity to tell stories, and how you can keep your reader engaged long enough to deliver your message. Everyone who communicates as part of the work that they do will benefit from listening to what Jocelyn has to share in this episode.

Kira Hug:  A quick PSA, The Copywriter Think Tank price tag will increase this June. So if you have any interest in joining us inside this mastermind, don't wait; apply today. We are so excited to introduce some of our newest members in the Think Tank to the entire crew this June during our two-day virtual retreat on June 9th and 10th. It's coming up fast, so again, if you've had any interest in the Think Tank, now is the time to apply. Head over to copywriterthinktank.com to learn more.

Rob Marsh:  All right. Let's get to our interview with Jocelyn.

Jocelyn Brady:  This is a long circuitous journey, I think. But I'll say that the first time I was really that my brain went, "Wow, what brains can do," was... Well, the first time I held a brain was in grade school when we were dissecting a fetal pig, and I really needed to see its brain. That was not part of the assignment. We were just looking at its organs. And I was like, "But that's crazy. We're not seeing the part that powers all the parts." So I was the sole student there with my hacksaw, just determined to see this thing's brain. That stuck with me.

And then later,