Copywriter and business strategist, Maggie Patterson joins The Copywriter Club Podcast to talk about growing a sustainable consulting business. This is actually the second time Maggie has joined us to chat, but sadly, the first recordings are lost to history. In this second go-round (which just might be better than the lost episode), Kira and Rob get the low down on:

•  Exactly what it takes to grow a sustainable copywriting business

•  The three things you need before you can teach a skill or build a course

•  How to find undiscovered opportunities in your business today

•  What it takes to move your business to the next level

•  How to build a platform and position yourself the right way

•  How to get more done (especially when you’re busy)

•  How to deal with clients (the good and the bad)

•  The one thing copywriters can do to improve their businesses today

•  The secret to getting referrals from your clients

Maggie lets loose and shares it all in this episode. Click the play button below, or scroll down for a full transcript.

The people and stuff we mentioned on the show:

Sponsor: AirStory

Maggie’s website

The Service Business Success Show

Brittany Becher

Scoop Industries

The conflict resolution resource Maggie

mentioned but didn’t talk about

Basecamp

CXL article on process posted by Rob

Joanna Wiebe

Jamba Juice

Kira’s website

Rob’s website

The Copywriter Club Facebook Group

Intro: Content (for now)

Outro: Gravity

Full Transcript:

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Kira: What if you could hang out with seriously talented copywriters and other experts, ask them about their successes and failures, their work processes, and their habits, then steal an idea or two to inspire your own work? That’s what Rob and I do every week at the Copywriter Club podcast.

Rob: You’re invited to join the club for episode 37 as we chat with copywriter and entrepreneur Maggie Patterson about getting referrals, building a business and merging it with her partner’s business, productize services, why you shouldn’t create a course, and how we can up our game as copywriters.

Kira: Hey, Rob. Hey, Maggie.

Maggie: Hey, guys.

Kira: How’s it going?

Rob: Kira, Maggie.

Maggie: I’m excited to be here.

Kira: Welcome back. We did record an episode with Maggie, and it was incredible, and it was lost. Lost somewhere in a hole, so this is going to be even better, because Maggie is even more fired up this time, right?

Maggie: I don’t know if that’s possible, but we’ll see what I can do.

Kira: I think a great place to start, Maggie, is you recently put out a show on your podcast, the Service Business Success Show, and I believe it was episode 53 of your show. You were talking about why being a practitioner matters. That was one of my favorite shows that you put out, and I know you were fired up. I want to hear what was the catalyst for even creating that show, and maybe you can just give some backstory for people who didn’t listen to that show.

Maggie: Essentially, the premise of that show was ... I love this question, by the way, because this is one of my most favorite topics. The premise of it was really that so many times, we want to cut ahead, and we just want this seven bajillion dollar business, and we don’t actually want to do the work. The reality is for us to build a sustainable business, we need to have mastery. We have to have real skills. For us to be relevant and to be able to grow to those next stages of potentially, one day, maybe in the future of having an online course, you need to be really, really good at what you do to be in touch with it.

I think I see so many people teaching that aren’t doing anymore, and they’re disconnected. They’re giving advice that is not relevant, or you know what, one even worse,