Ash and Katy Hearne-Church from Queens Podcast wrap up this whacky season of TSFU Presents with plagues, beheadings, human sacrifices, a handsy king and all sorts of other little diddies that seem totally appropriate for kids!

Follow Katy and her co-host Nathan on Instagram and YouTube! They get boozy and talk historical queens, it's an absolute blast!


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-Incredible research on this whole season by Elizabeth Vandenbosch.
-Audio editing by Ophelia Stone.
-Sources:

• Nursery rhyme | Origins, History & Analysis | Britannica
• The Shocking, Twisted Stories Behind Your Favorite Nursery Rhymes | HuffPost Entertainment
• The real meaning behind these kids’ nursery rhymes will creep you out | The Sun
• 24 Terrifying, Thoughtful and Absurd Nursery Rhymes for Children – Brainz
• 17 Childhood Stories And Rhymes Are That Are Surprisingly Really Dark (buzzfeed.com)
• The dark side of nursery rhymes - BBC Culture
• The Creepiest Nursery Rhymes That Shouldn't Be Read to Kids (ranker.com)
• Jack and Jill – Nursery Rhymes (allnurseryrhymes.com)
• Ring Around the Rosie – Nursery Rhymes (allnurseryrhymes.com)
• Mother Goose Club – Ring Around the Rosy Lyrics | Genius Lyrics
• 'Ring Around the Rosie' Meaning and History | HowStuffWorks
• Mother Goose Club – Mary, Mary Quite Contrary Lyrics | Genius Lyrics
• The Real Meaning of the Nursery Rhyme "Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary" (americansongwriter.com)
• It's Raining, It's Pouring - Wikipedia
• It's raining, it's pouring - BBC Teach
• Mother Goose Club – This Little Piggy Lyrics | Genius Lyrics
• What does 'this little piggy went to market' mean? It's darker than you think (thefocus.news)
• https://americansongwriter.com/behind-meaning-of-nursery-rhyme-london-bridge-is-falling-down-lyrics/

Have you seen "May December" on Netflix? Hot garbage in our opinion... we really don't even know what that movie was trying to convey. This is an incredibly important story though. Ash recently spoke with Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (IFB) cult survivors, siblings Shelly Snow Pordea and Jon Snow on our YouTube channel (episode was also available slightly edited as audio only). Jon was incredibly brave and open and honest about his own abuse and we all agreed that the abuse of boys and men needs to be talked about much more than it is.

Find out more about Shelly here: https://www.shellysnowpordea.com/ and find Jon at https://linktr.ee/snoman74/! Follow Shelly and Jon on IG @Shellysnowpordea and @the_jon_snow!

In August of 2022, Ash and Michelle talked about the grooming of Vili Fualaau by his sixth grade teacher Mary Kay Letourneau.Michelle told Ash about the extremely inappropriate emotional and physical relationship between 34 year old elementary school teacher Mary Kay Letourneau and her 12 year old student, Vili Fualaau. They eventually got married and had children, but Mary Kay obviously always held the power. In this episode we'd like to highlight that women can absolutely be predators as well.

Trigger Warning for this episode and the YouTube interview: sexual abuse of children.


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-Audio engineering by Gaytrice Perdue.

Hey friends, have you heard yet that we're now live on YOUTUBE?! That's right, you can finally see our faces!*

TW: Basically all of the kinds of abuse possible.

Join Ash as she speaks with siblings Shelly Snow Pordea and Jon Snow, who both grew up in the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (IFB) sect. Both are incredible survivors and advocates, and Shelly is also an author and Jon is an actor! The three chat about the new Investigation Discovery documentary "Let Us Prey", the rampant abuse of boys and men in the church that's rarely discussed and how the duo have worked hard to heal in their own ways.

Find out more about Shelly here: https://www.shellysnowpordea.com/ and find Jon at https://linktr.ee/snoman74/! Follow Shelly and Jon on IG @Shellysnowpordea and @the_jon_snow!

To find amazing support and resources around spiritual abuse visit https://www.igotout.org/ and https://www.tearsofeden.org/!

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*Please note that "YouTube Live" segments are not as curated as regular episodes. The sound is taken right from the video and only the beginning and end chat with the viewers is edited out.

This week, Ash and Katy Hearne-Church from Queens Podcast are talking about scandals within the wonderful world of Disney.We've got racism, sexism (even SA, ewww what?!), psychedelics, Stockholm Syndrome, secret dicks drawn on castles and more!


Follow Katy and her co-host Nathan on Instagram and YouTube! They get boozy and talk historical queens, it's an absolute blast! And make sure to check out OUR NEW YouTube channel while you're at it!

Incredible research on this whole season by Elizabeth Vandenbosch!

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-Audio editing by Gaytrice Perdue.
-Sources:

• The Walt Disney Company
• Disney History - D23
• Disney World vs. Disneyland Size - NerdWallet
• The Biggest Controversies in Disney History - AllEars.Net
• The 10 Most Controversial Animated Disney Movies, Ranked (screenrant.com)
• Disney's America - Wikipedia
• Lusting for some controversy? The awkward history of Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean (themeparkinsider.com)
• Song of the South (1946) - Plot - IMDb
• 'Song of the South': Why the Controversial Disney Movie Is Not on Disney Plus (newsweek.com)
• 17 Problematic Things in Disney Movies That Have Not Aged Well (insider.com)
• The Disney and Ron DeSantis Feud, Explained – Rolling Stone
• DeSantis, Disney hit each other with escalating demands in legal filings as showdown intensifies | Fortune
• Disney chief Bob Iger says strike by writers and actors ‘very disturbing’ | Film industry | The Guardian
• 10 Disney Propaganda Cartoons From World War II - Listverse
• What the Controversy Over ‘Turning Red’ Misses - The Atlantic

We have a special episode for y'all today in honor of HBO's release of Love Has Won: The Cult of Mother God. This puppy is from the Patreon Vault, enjoy!

Today we're taking you alllll the way back to May of 2021 when Ash and one of her amazing former co-hosts Cam talked about Colorado cult Love Has Won! At the time of the recording, "Mother God" had been found dead just weeks prior. It's not been two and half years and a great documentary just came out on HBO!

Check out the YouTube LIVE we did recently to talk about the documentary!

Watch Love Has Won: The Cult of Mother God here!

Ash covers Love Has Won and the mysterious death of its leader Amy Carlson, aka "Mother God". Before her death, Mother God was a belligerent and abusive alcoholic who claimed to be paralyzed from the waist down (videos prove otherwise). She and her group, including Jason Castillo, one of many "Father God"s over the years, had been doing daily livestreams on YouTube since the mid 2000s, gaining followers by selling magical phone healing sessions, "god squad" apparel, etc... the usual. But it appears that Love Has Lost, as Carlson's mummified corpse was found wrapped in a sleeping bag and Christmas lights, with glitter surrounding her hollow eye sockets, in a makeshift shrine less than three weeks ago.

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-Audio engineering by Evette Darensbourg.

This week, Ali tells Ash about the Winchester Mystery House! You've probably heard of it, but do you know the story behind it??

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-Audio editing by Tina Lukic.
-Sources:

• https://winchestermysteryhouse.com/sarahs-story/
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Winchester
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wirt_Winchester
• https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/winchester-mystery-house
• https://blog.genealogybank.com/the-strange-story-of-the-haunted-winchester-mansion.html/amp?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=DSA&utm_content=California&utm_term=&gad=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw6p-oBhAYEiwAgg2Pgo4UJhqUnpslb_5NUBG19RXq0Dxf_FqDWMnIxzw9bczlb4t_Hj-FYRoCT_oQAvD_BwE
• https://winchestermysteryhouse.com/a-haunted-history/
• https://usghostadventures.com/haunted-stories/why-the-winchester-house-is-haunted/
• https://www.travelchannel.com/interests/haunted/articles/winchester-mystery-house
• https://dilettantearmy.com/articles/psychic-violence

Hear Ye, Hear Ye! Ashley Love Richards from That's So Fcked Up the Podcast and Katy Hearne-Church from Queens Podcast are back for another insane episode of TSFU Presents: Fairy Tale Fckery! Last week Katy and Ash talked about the origins of some of the most famous fairy tales in history, and they have quite dark themes. That's a great episode to start with as it gives some context for today's stories!

This week Ash tells Katy about the original fairy tales that inspired the stories of some of the most beloved and well known Disney Princesses. Disney sanitized these stories, A LOT. A couple of them are literally the epitome of "That's So Fcked Up"!


If you haven't yet, be sure to subscribe to Queens wherever you listen to podcasts! Follow Katy and her co-host Nathan on Instagram and YouTube! You can also find out more about them on their website!

And obviously if you haven't yet, make sure to subscribe to That's So Fcked Up wherever you get your podcasts! You can find out more about Ash and the pod on her website! And make sure to follow TSFU on Instagram and YouTube!

-Research assistance by Elizabeth Vandenbosch.
-Audio editing by River Innes.
-Sources:

• Cinderella - Grimm (grimmstories.com)
• Rapunzel - Grimm (grimmstories.com)
• The little mermaid (andersenstories.com)
• Sleeping Beauty (Little Briar Rose) - Grimm (grimmstories.com)
• Beauty and the Beast - Wikipedia
• The Dark, Twisted Fairy Tales 'Beauty And The Beast' Is Based On | HuffPost Entertainment

Ash has the pleasure of co-hosting with Katy Hearne-Church from Queens Podcast this month! Ash and Katy spend this season talking about all things fairy tales, and nursery rhymes, and princesses, and Disney! If this doesn't sound like TSFU material to you, we promise it is!

This week the gals kick off the season with fairy tale origins. They talk about the history of fairy tales and how they originated, as well as the meanings behind some of the most well known stories. Tales that you almost certainly grew up with... they're actually pretty creepy when you really look at them!


Be sure to subscribe to Queens wherever you listen to podcasts! Follow Katy and her co-host Nathan on Instagram and YouTube! You can also find out more about them on their website! They get boozy and talk historical queens, it's an absolute blast!



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-Research assistance by Elizabeth Vandenbosch.
-Audio editing by Dallas Hernandez.
-Sources:

• Where do fairy tales come from? - BBC Culture
• Fairy tale - Wikipedia
• Fairy tale origins thousands of years old, researchers say - BBC News
• Madame d'Aulnoy - Wikipedia
• 5 Facts About The Brothers Grimm (biography.com)
• The goose girl - Grimm (grimmstories.com)
• The robber bridegroom - Grimm (grimmstories.com)
• The three snake-leaves - Grimm (grimmstories.com)
• Hansel and Gretel - Grimm (grimmstories.com)
• Little Red Riding Hood - Grimm (grimmstories.com)
• https://allthatsinteresting.com/hansel-and-gretel-true-story
• https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/286510/the-true-story-of-hansel-and-gretel-by-louise-murphy/9780142003077/readers-guide/

The Twin Flames Universe (CULT) is on fire! Amazon recently came out with Desperately Seeking Soulmate: Escaping Twin Flames and Netflix came out with Escaping Twin Flames today!
Back in August of 2022, Ash and Michelle talked about the insane cult that's supposedly trying to help people find their super soulmates aka Twin Flames.

Michelle talked about a truly insidious group, Twin Flames Universe. These asshats took a very old concept and have sold it to thousands, claiming that everyone has a "twin flame" and that you should pursue you twin flame no matter what, even if they take out a restraining order against you. There are also too many women in the group, so leaders are coercing other members into sex changes. Join them as they break down this dumpster fire.

Ash will go LIVE on YOUTUBE soon to do an update on what she's learned since last year's episode came out!

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-Audio editing by Gaytrice Perdue.

Ok, we know that Halloween has passed, but this is probably the scariest episode we've released in some time.

In our final episode of "The New F Word" (for now) Fallon summarizes the last episode of Shiny Happy People, "Arrows Activated". In this episode, "despite Gothard's demise and Josh Duggars' disturbing new crimes, the movement goes on. Fundamentalists have consolidated political power nationwide to reshape society in their own image." - Amazon Prime

Ash then talks about one of the scariest movements out there, the Joshua Generation. GenJ, as it's also known, is a far right fundamentalist Christian homeschool movement that aims to teach teens to bring conservative and Bible based values into the political realm to "take back America". And they get to take some awesome classes like Presidential Election, Grand Jury, or Congressional Simulation, and Campaign School!


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-Research by Peggie Brott.
-Audio editing by River Innes.
-Sources:

• https://generationjoshua.org/
• A Generation Moves On
• Wikipedia Generation Joshua