We love Deb Buckley, oh boy do we love Deb Buckley. What started as a Leece-and-Deb meet-cute in a Christchurch car park is now a woman that the three of us get to call a friend and a mentor. In today's episode of The Sparkle Pod, Leece and Jess chat to Deb about all sorts. From her role in shaping leaders as the CEO of the New Zealand Institute of Management & Leadership, to raising her two children by the two values of grace and gratitude, navigating multiple miscarriages (TW), and her learnings in the area of neuroscience - i.e., what we can do to try and stay motivated to regularly exercise and how we can perhaps even better the relationship with our partner, i.e., STOP WATCHING ROM COMS *note to self* (among other very gold nuggets lol). Deb, thank you so much for all that you are and all that you do. We loved having you on TSP and are very grateful to have you in our corner.