This one was a full-tilt, no-agenda, off-the-cuff joyride. Bobby and I kicked things off talking about breakfast and concussions, and before we knew it, we were deep in the world of comedy - what makes it brilliant, what makes it brutal, and why it hits different for all of us. We riffed on our favorite comics, from Andy Kaufman to Ricky Gervais to Hannah Gadsby, and unpacked the guts and grind it takes to get on stage and try to make people laugh (some skills and lessons that are transferrable to most of our lives). Bobby shared what it was like doing open mic nights with zero prep, how speaking lost its magic for him in 2024, and how he's finding his way back. I opened up about bombing (or thinking I was) during podcasts and in the ring, and we both explored that tricky line between perception and reality when you're putting yourself out there. There's a heap in here about performance, resilience, and the weird art of being real... whether you're on stage, in a boxing ring, or just figuring out how to be seen.

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