The Audit Podcast

In the first episode of IA on AI, John Thompson joins Trent to talk about one of the biggest questions in the audit world right now: Is AI Taking Over Audit Jobs?

They break down:

• What AI can and can't do (yet) in audit

• How the role of the auditor might shift

• Why this isn't just about losing jobs — it's about changing how we work

They also touch on what to expect from the show going forward and why internal auditors should want to stay in the AI conversation.

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This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.

Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, we're continuing our Retired CAE Summer Series with Kevin Ryan, former Chief Risk Review Officer and General Auditor at KeyBank, where he spent 38 years—15 of those in audit leadership.

In this episode, Kevin reflects on the importance of relationships and shares how he was able to gain the ear of the CEO, something many auditors strive for.

He also offers a personal story that would serve as a lesson in office politics, and answers the question: if his audit career were a book, what would the first and last chapters be about?

Be sure to connect with Kevin on LinkedIn.

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Timecodes:

1:52 – How a Retired CAE Uses ChatGPT

5:33 – What You Can Learn From Relationships

10:40 – How to Gain the Year of the CEO

13:36 – What to Do if You Only Get 15 Minutes With the CEO

16:57 – Why Working With Other CAEs Matters

19:22 – A Lesson About Office Politics

21:28 – Opening Chapter of Your Career

24:22 – Final Chapter of Your Career

25:42 – Building your Self Awareness

27:55 – Final Thoughts

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This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.

Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, we're continuing our Retired CAE Summer Series with Mike Jenkins, former VP of Internal Audit at Facebook, Gap, and Included Health, and former Director of Financial Audit at Google.

Since retiring, Mike has embraced a new chapter—as an artist. In this episode, he shares how creativity has always been a superpower for him, both in his art and throughout his audit career.

Mike reflects on what he's learned over the years, offers advice for today's audit professionals, and discusses what it really means to interact with the board and audit committee—sharing what those moments looked like in his own experience.

Be sure to connect with Mike on LinkedIn.

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Timecodes:

1:36 – How a retired CAE is using ChatGPT

6:08 – Mike's secret weapon as a CAE

15:55 – Mike's three key lessons: Learn much more

21:04 - Learn to talk

25:56 - Learn to Date

31:25 – Building relationships with the audit committee

34:52 – Final thoughts

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This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.

Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, we're continuing our Retired CAE Summer Series with Dale Jeanes, former General Auditor (CAE) at Truist, where he spent an impressive 34 years. Dale now leads Jeanes Professional Development, where he coaches internal audit, risk management, and finance professionals.

In this episode, Dale joins the show to reflect on his career and his current work as a coach. He shares practical advice for professionals in the field, how to maintain integrity as auditors, and his take on what people often misunderstand about being a CAE.

We also explore a fun thought experiment: If Dale wrote a book about his career, what would the first and last chapters be about?

This series is all about gaining insights from those who have stepped back from the profession—and seeing things with a little more clarity.

Be sure to connect with Dale on LinkedIn.

Also, be sure to follow us on our social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.

Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.

Timecodes:

3:47 – Using ChatGPT for Idea Development

8:23 – Dale's Most Coachable Moment

12:40 – Techniques to Elicit Eeflection

17:37 – Dale's Politics Lesson for Auditors

21:24 – CAE as Chief Audit Innovation Officer

29:26 – Building Leadership from the Start

31:27 – Thoughts on Leadership Training

35:02 – Maintaining Integrity as an Auditor

36:36 – Final Thoughts

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This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.

Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, we're kicking off our Retired CAE Summer Series with Bob Brewer, former Chief Audit Executive at Las Vegas Sands and former Chief Compliance Officer at Office Depot.

With almost two years of retirement under his belt, Bob joins the show to reflect on his career from a fresh perspective. In this episode, he shares what he would do differently if he had the chance to start over, the political lessons he learned as a full-time executive, and the one thing he wishes every auditor would do.

We also explore a fun thought experiment: If Bob wrote a book about his career, what would the first and last chapters be about?

This series is all about gaining insights from those who have stepped back from the profession—and seeing things with a little more clarity.

Be sure to connect with Bob on LinkedIn.

Also, be sure to follow us on our new social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.

Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.

Timecodes:

2:25 – How a Retired CAE uses LLMs

4:43 – Career Reflections

6:33 – Go-To Audit Resources

10:35 – A Lesson in Audit Politics

19:45 – Top Advice for Auditors

25:50 – The Critical Role of People, Processes, and Technology

33:10 – Final Thoughts

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This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.

Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, we’re kicking off our Retired CAE Summer Series with Bob Brewer, former Chief Audit Executive at Las Vegas Sands and former Chief Compliance Officer at Office Depot.

With almost two years of retirement under his belt, Bob joins the show to reflect on his career from a fresh perspective. In this episode, he shares what he would do differently if he had the chance to start over, the political lessons he learned as a full-time executive, and the one thing he wishes every auditor would do.

We also explore a fun thought experiment: If Bob wrote a book about his career, what would the first and last chapters be about?

This series is all about gaining insights from those who have stepped back from the profession—and seeing things with a little more clarity.

Be sure to connect with Bob on LinkedIn.

Also, be sure to follow us on our new social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.

Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.

Timecodes:

2:25 – How a Retired CAE uses LLMs

4:43 – Career Reflections

6:33 – Go-To Audit Resources

10:35 – A Lesson in Audit Politics

19:45 – Top Advice for Auditors

25:50 – The Critical Role of People, Processes, and Technology

33:10 – Final Thoughts

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This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype. 

Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Shagen Ganason, Group Chief Auditor, and Chief Audit Executive at Liva Group.

In this episode, Shagen shares the inspiration behind his new book, The Storyteller's Ledger, and why he believes storytelling is one of the most powerful tools internal auditors can develop. From rethinking traditional audit reports to presenting to the board, Shagen offers a practical framework for transforming audit communication—complete with templates, examples, and coaching strategies he's used with his own teams.

Be sure to connect with Shagen on LinkedIn.

Also, be sure to follow us on our new social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.

Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.

Timecodes:

4:30 – Keeping the Audit Committee Engaged

6:28 – Why Audit's Influence Matters

10:16 – Traditional vs. Story-Driven Audit Findings

13:48 – Turning Audit Reports Into Compelling Stories

16:55 – Highlighting Cause and Effect Clearly

20:16 – Storytelling to the Audit Committee

26:06 – Delivering a Clear and Confident Message

30:15 – Helping Your Team Master Storytelling

34:50 – Final Thoughts

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This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.

Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Beth Womersley, Head of Assurance & Advisory Services at Universal Destination & Experiences.

Beth shares her experience launching and leading ERM programs across multiple organizations. As internal audit teams take on more ERM responsibilities, she shares tips on where to start, how to get support from leadership, and what frameworks to consider.

Be sure to connect with Beth on LinkedIn.

Also, be sure to follow us on our new social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.

Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.

Timecodes:

1:46 – How an ERM Expert Uses LLMs

6:13 – What Is Enterprise Risk Management (ERM)?

11:53 – Setting Up Your Team to Implement ERM

14:00 – Building the Business Case for ERM

19:12 – How to Pitch ERM to the Board

23:04 – Facilitating the ERM Process

30:40 – Final Thoughts

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This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.

Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Nancy Yuen, Financial Data and VP of SOX Governance at SoFi.

In this episode, Nancy shares how emotional intelligence has been a driving force behind her career success—from her early days at KPMG to leadership roles at Clorox, Google, and now SoFi. Nancy realized she needed to intentionally build her emotional intelligence in order to thrive professionally. She opens up about that journey, how developing strong communication skills transformed her leadership style, and offers practical strategies others can apply in their own careers.

Be sure to connect with Nancy on LinkedIn.

Also, be sure to follow us on our new social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.

Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.

Timecodes:

3:10 - Strategies for Supporting an Overextended Team

8:22 - Nancy's Journey to Finding Emotional intelligence

21:19 - Acting Classes for Auditors

28:50 – Letting Go of Ego to Build a Stronger Team

33:30 - Final thoughts

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This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.

Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.

This week on The Audit Podcast, we're joined by Chris Denver, former CAE and IIA Chicago President.

In this episode, Chris walks us through the forward-looking staffing model he's developed—one that balances internal talent with digital tools and trusted external partners to create a more flexible, future-ready audit function. He shares how this hybrid approach not only drives efficiency but also helps his team stay responsive in a constantly changing business environment.

Also, be sure to follow us on our new social media accounts on LinkedIn, Instagram, and TikTok.

Also be sure to sign up for The Audit Podcast newsletter and to check the full video interview on The Audit Podcast YouTube channel.

Timecodes:

2:40 – Using LLMs for Creativity and Innovation

5:00 – Rethinking the Traditional Audit Staffing Pyramid

11:20 – Why Automation Is Essential to the Evolving Audit Process

16:40 – Putting the New Internal Audit Model into Practice

19:30 – Preparing Future Auditors

23:03 – Final Thoughts

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This podcast is brought to you by Greenskies Analytics, the services firm that helps auditors leap-frog up the analytics maturity model. Their approach for launching audit analytics programs with a series of proven quick-win analytics will guarantee the results worthy of the analytics hype.

Whether your audit team needs a data strategy, methodology, governance, literacy, or anything else related to audit and analytics, schedule time with Greenskies Analytics.