In this episode, Zoe explores what bookkeepers must understand to strategically grow their bookkeeping practice in 2026. She encourages listeners to “break” their existing business model in order to rebuild a scalable structure that supports long-term goals. The discussion centres on revisiting your original vision, designing systems that function without you, choosing a defined niche, and developing a gold-standard service that truly adds value.

Zoe also highlights the importance of business planning, pricing confidently, strengthening sales and personal branding skills, and building scalable systems — including the adoption of automation and AI. She wraps up by reframing the bookkeeper as a CEO, not an employee, and invites listeners to develop their growth roadmap inside The Grace Collection and Success Programme within The Bookkeepers’ Collective.

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We're Jo and Zoe and we help bookkeepers find clients, make more money and build profitable businesses they love. Find out about working with us in The Bookkeepers' Collective, at: 6figurebookkeeper.com/collective

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In this episode, Jo and Zoe break down the fast-evolving world of artificial intelligence and what it means for bookkeepers right now. They explore the opportunities, risks, and everyday use cases—from email management and strategic planning to research tools and AI agents. With their signature blend of humour and practical advice, they discuss the tools they personally use (such as ChatGPT, Claude, Notebooks and Perplexity), what they love about them, and how they’ve integrated AI into their workflows.

They also introduce their Seven-Step Prompting Framework, designed to help bookkeepers create accurate, tailored outputs that reflect their expertise and tone of voice. The episode closes by outlining how bookkeepers can use AI to add value to clients, streamline operations, reduce decision fatigue, and even support advisory conversations. AI isn’t here to replace bookkeepers—it’s here to elevate them.

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What does success look like for HMRC with Making Tax Digital – and what does it really mean for the bookkeepers doing the work on the ground? In this Leadership Takeover Session, Craig Ogilvie, HMRC’s Director for Making Tax Digital, explains the “why” behind MTD for Income Tax, how it will change the UK tax system, and why he believes bookkeepers are central to making it work for small businesses.

Get step by step guidance on MTD for Income Tax https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/making-tax-digital-for-income-tax?Utm_source=6fb

Craig shares his journey from a low-income upbringing in Scotland, through 20+ years in government delivery, to leading some of the UK’s biggest programmes – including the furlough scheme during the pandemic. He explains how his parents’ values around kindness and optimism shaped his leadership style, why he focuses so heavily on people and psychological safety, and how that translates into the way he runs the MTD team today.

You’ll hear a clear, human explanation of what MTD for IT actually is: digital record keeping, quarterly updates and software-based filing for millions of self-employed people. Craig talks about the three big reasons behind it – reducing errors in the tax gap, modernising the UK’s tax infrastructure, and creating better customer service through more timely data and nudges – and why he sees bookkeepers as uniquely placed to turn that into better conversations about cash flow, credit control and business performance.

He also explains the scale of the change: rebuilding core systems, working with third-party software through APIs, and designing multiple agent functionality so both accountants and bookkeepers can support the same client. Craig describes travelling around the UK to meet real practices, how those conversations led to changes like faster sign-up journeys and multiple agent access, and why HMRC is committed to genuine co-creation rather than “rubber-stamping” decisions already made.

The episode goes deeper into social mobility, confidence and financial understanding. Craig talks about seeing his dad’s January “bag of receipts”, the construction sector’s heavy representation in the first MTD cohort, and the financial literacy gap facing many sole traders. He reflects on sessions with unrepresented business owners, where a clear explanation – often from a bookkeeper or accountant – can quickly change how someone feels about digital tools, quarterly reporting and understanding their numbers.

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What does the future of bookkeeping actually look like when AI gets practical?

Sabby Gill (CEO of Dext) breaks down what’s changing, what won’t, and how bookkeepers stay indispensable.

You’ll hear how a SaaS CEO thinks about time-saving automation, why “customer voice” should shape your roadmap (even in a practice), and why the human relationship side of bookkeeping becomes more valuable as systems get smarter.

- Learn why Sabby speaks to 2–3 customers every day (and why he won’t “pre-prep” the calls).

- Use the “why + benefit + ROI” script to communicate change without losing clients.

- Understand why employees come first (and how that protects customers).

- Steal a leadership routine: town halls, skip-levels, surveys, and CEO onboarding 1:1s.

- See what Dext is building next: AI that learns your edits, plus payments and more.

- Reframe the real endgame: automation → advisory → better client outcomes.

Learn what AI and Automation mean for the future of Bookkeeping with Dext's free guide: https://info.dext.com/ai-and-the-future-of-accounting-report?UTM_Source=6fb

This conversation is for bookkeepers and accountants who feel the industry is in constant change (AI, HMRC updates, new processes) and want a clearer way to communicate value, without burning out.

Timestamps

00:00 Introduction

00:18 Sabby’s role at Dext and the business sale to IRIS

00:43 From finance admin to software leadership

02:35 What the gaming industry taught him about tech and sales

04:20 Psychometric insights: adapting your communication style

08:38 What a “normal day” looks like as CEO

09:21 The 2-customer-calls-a-day habit

10:54 “Time for business”: giving people time back

13:56 Time management and protecting your team from burnout

17:11 Engagement scores, surveys, and fixing the real issue

19:02 Communicating change: ask “why” and make the benefit simple

24:28 Small business lessons: why accountants become the first call

26:24 Hiring for diversity of thought (not just industry experience)

30:03 Calling lost customers: the feedback most leaders avoid

32:12 The Dext roadmap: AI that learns your repeated changes

36:06 What’s coming next

37:21 Advisory is the endgame, and why humans still win

39:06 Dext’s stance on direct vs partner relationships

40:03 Wrap-up

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In this Leadership Takeover Session, Jack Choppin – employee number one at GoProposal (now GoProposal by Sage) and long-time head of Client Success – explains how bookkeepers can build confident teams, challenge clients on pricing and create “shock and awe” experiences that drive loyalty and growth. For UK bookkeepers bringing in their first team member, or trying to get braver with fees, this is a practical look at what real client success and culture actually feel like day to day.

Download GoProposal's guide for running impactful client meetings: https://goproposal.com/blog/how-to-keep-your-client-at-the-heart-of-every-meeting-with-the-gloss-method/?UTM_Source=6fb

Jack shares how he joined GoProposal on trust in the people before he fully understood the mission, what it was like to be 50% of the company’s salary bill as the first hire, and how that level of transparency built belief and ownership. He talks about the famous “shock and awe” pack, why they poured huge energy into free trials, and how unscalable, high-touch onboarding helped them spot the right customers and turn them into raving fans long before they put card details in.

You’ll hear how GoProposal built a culture of caring deeply and challenging directly: sending physical packs, pre-branding apps, and offering training calls that didn’t just show people where to click, but helped them feel ready to sit in front of a client and say, “Your price needs to go up.” Jack explains why true client success means challenging beliefs, not just being nice, and why the real measure of success isn’t “do you understand the software?” but “are you willing to have that pricing conversation?”

Jack also talks about the emotional side of building a business from the inside. He describes working with founder James Ashford, carrying the pressure of personal goals (like helping Becky leave her job), and learning not to become an “accidental diminisher” who has all the answers. Instead, he shows how asking team members to bring problems with proposed solutions builds confidence, autonomy and genuine leadership capability – the same mindset bookkeepers can use with both staff and clients.

For practice owners, Jack shares what he learned as GoProposal grew and then moved through acquisition into Sage: how openness around targets builds buy-in rather than fear, where to draw the line between healthy pressure and stress, and how small firms can use their size as an advantage by involving team members closely in the journey. He also talks honestly about self-doubt, fear of getting it wrong, and how focusing on intent rather than outcome helps him act even when confidence feels shaky.

This is essential viewing for bookkeepers who want to move beyond “just doing the work” and build a business where clients, team and founder are all truly invested in the same mission.

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Be honest: have you set up automation… but not really adopted it?

In this episode of our Leadership Series, Paul Lodder (VP of Accounting & Product Strategy at Dext) breaks down how to use Dext automation to create capacity, improve real-time reporting, and move clients from reactive to in control.

Download Dext's Compliance to Advisory Guide, here: https://info.dext.com/compliance-to-advisory-guide?UTM_source=6fb

Paul shares what he saw moving from practice to product: most firms sign up to tools but don’t adopt features deeply enough to get the outcome. You’ll hear what “real-time bookkeeping” actually means, why regularity matters, and how to structure people, processes and products so automation sticks.

What you’ll learn:

- Spot why firms “go digital” but still don’t get full tool value (feature adoption is the gap).

- Build a Dext champion role that improves automation performance across your client base.

- Shift clients from quarterly compliance to real-time bookkeeping and decision-making.

- Use automation and regularity to unlock dashboards, insights, and proactive conversations.

- Understand where AI helps (proactivity and capacity) and where it won’t replace you (relationships and empathy).

Try Dext as a partner: https://dext.com/uk/partner?utm_source=6fb and explore how automation creates capacity.

This episode is for bookkeepers and accounting firms who want to stop chasing paperwork, reduce admin, and deliver real-time value, without adding headcount.

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In this Leadership Takeover Session, Stuart Miller, Director of Public Policy and Technology Research at Xero, shares what’s really happening behind the scenes with MTD, AI and financial literacy – and what it all means for UK bookkeepers. If you’ve ever wondered who sits in the rooms with government, regulators and tech companies speaking up for small businesses and their advisers, this episode joins those dots.

Stuart didn’t set out to be an accountant. He fell into practice to avoid paying rent to his parents, trained through AAT, and built his career in firms where tattoos, shaved heads and “not fitting the mould” were still frowned upon. He talks about the managers who backed him, the crying client whose tax-return anxiety helped him find his purpose, and the R&D projects where better tax advice funded real-world change – like extracting myrrh oil to support schools in Africa.

Today, his role at Xero spans smart data, late payments, e-invoicing, unique business identifiers, AI policy and MTD. He explains what his week actually looks like: responding to consultations, sitting on smart data groups, meeting departments like Business and Trade, and feeding the voice of accountants and bookkeepers into policy.

Find out about the benefits of becoming a Xero Partner, here: https://www.xero.com/uk/partner-programme/?UTM_Source=6fb

The conversation also tackles AI. Stuart sees AI as an efficiency driver, not a replacement for bookkeepers. He talks about using AI to speed up reconciliation, summarise long email newsletters and surface insights, while the real value sits in the 20% of work that is deeply human: handling ambiguity, context and emotion.

A big theme is financial literacy and social mobility. Stuart is passionate about closing the gap for people who were never taught about interest rates, APR or cash flow at home or at school. He talks about Xero’s financial literacy campaign, which offers bite-size guidance and mentoring for people from disadvantaged backgrounds or those starting a business with no financial training. Crucially, it’s open to everyone, not just software users, and supported by accountants and bookkeepers who volunteer their time to help.

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We're Jo and Zoe and we help bookkeepers find clients, make more money and build profitable businesses they love. Find out about working with us in The Bookkeepers' Collective, at: 6figurebookkeeper.com/collective

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In this episode, Apron founder Bogdan Uzbekov explains how he built a 100+ person payments team, created a culture where people “do the work of their lives”, and why his 10-year vision includes building something in space. For UK bookkeepers, accountants and small business owners, this is a practical masterclass in leadership, team culture and modern business payments.

The way you build your team and choose your technology stack directly affects cash flow, client experience and your capacity to grow. Bogdan shares what he learned in almost a decade in payments, how Apron was designed around accountants and bookkeepers, and the leadership principles he uses to scale quickly without losing quality. By the end of this episode, viewers will understand how high-growth fintech thinking can be applied inside a small UK bookkeeping practice.

Hosted by Jo Wood and Zoe Whitman from The 6 Figure Bookkeeper, this Leadership Takeover Session connects real founder experience with the day-to-day reality of running a modern practice. Bogdan has spent nearly 10 years in payments, built Apron from concept to a fast-growing funded company, and now leads a team serving SMEs, accountants and bookkeepers across the UK.

In this conversation, Jo and Zoe explore how Bogdan moved from a background in physics and research into startups and payments, why he chose the pace of entrepreneurship over a PhD, how Apron evolved from a simple frustration with broken business payments into a platform used by practices and their clients, what it really takes to grow a team from the first hire to over 100 people, how to design team culture deliberately so people can thrive, why he openly says “I love hustle” and how he balances that with family life, and his long-term ambition to “do something in space”.

Bogdan is clear that great products are built by great teams. He explains why hiring is “really hard”, how Apron uses structured culture-led interviews, why values and learning speed matter more than technical skill alone, and why founders must eventually let go of control to allow new leaders to step forward. For UK bookkeepers, this offers a blueprint for moving from a solo practice to a small, high-impact firm.

Apron is a business payments platform that helps small businesses pay suppliers and staff while keeping accountants and bookkeepers at the centre of the workflow. Bogdan Uzbekov is Apron’s founder and currently leads a 100+ person team building payment infrastructure for UK SMEs. Platforms like Apron allow UK bookkeepers to centralise outgoing payments, improve visibility over cash flow, and introduce more structured client processes.

Get started with Apron for free at https://getapron.com/?utm_source=6fb

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How to Get Visible as a Bookkeeper: Sage’s Chris Downing on Confidence, Tech and Career Opportunities

In this Leadership Takeover Session, Sage’s Chris Downing shows bookkeepers and accountants exactly how to get more visible, build a reputation that feels authentic, and turn their experience into new opportunities – without pretending to be someone they’re not. Drawing on 19 years in practice (from junior to partner) and his current role as the “voice of the accountant and bookkeeper” inside Sage, Chris explains what visibility really means, why it matters, and how to start even if you feel shy, busy or unsure what to say.

Read the GoProposal by Sage guide on how to be an authoritative accountant (or bookkeeper) and establish trust https://goproposal.com/blog/trusted/?UTM_Source=6FB

Hosted by Jo Wood and Zoe Whitman from The 6 Figure Bookkeeper, this episode goes behind the scenes with one of the most recognisable faces in the UK accounting tech space. You’ll hear how early work experience, a love of technology and a focus on saving clients time led Chris to build a Business Intelligence department inside his firm, win Technology Champion of the Year, and ultimately move from practice into a senior role at Sage. Along the way he shares the mindset shifts that helped him speak at events, work with banks, and present to rooms full of peers – even when it felt nerve-wracking.

You’ll learn why visibility is not about showing off, but about being useful and relatable; how awards, case studies and collaboration with software partners can quietly raise your profile; and why the firms that grow fastest are usually the ones willing to share what they’re doing well. Chris talks about saying yes (and sometimes no) to events, how he protects his time, and how he balances a busy internal role at Sage with being present at conferences, webinars and community meetups.

For bookkeepers, he explains why your proximity to the numbers gives you huge commercial insight, why bookkeeping can feel lonely and how to build a supportive network with accountants and peers. He describes the “golden triangle” between the business owner, the accountant and the bookkeeper, and why collaboration – rather than competition – is where the real opportunity lies as MTD and digitisation reshape the profession.

This is essential viewing for bookkeepers who want to stop being “brilliant but invisible”, share their expertise with confidence, and build a long-term career that can grow in whatever direction they choose.

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We're Jo and Zoe and we help bookkeepers find clients, make more money and build profitable businesses they love. Find out about working with us in The Bookkeepers' Collective, at: 6figurebookkeeper.com/collective

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The future of bookkeeping is not data entry — it is trusted financial partnership. In this episode of the 6FB Sofa Sessions, Max Whiteley, Product Domain Expert at Dext and multiple award-winning practice leader, explains exactly how UK bookkeepers can move from compliance into real advisory, and why confidence, curiosity and commercial thinking now matter more than technical perfection.

Register for our upcoming webinar, Beyond the Books with Dext to learn how Bookkeepers can confidently step Into advisory with AI powered tech: https://info.dext.com/beyond-the-books-6fb-webinar-feb-2026

Max started his accounting career at just 15 years old, grew up around self-employed parents, built and scaled award-winning teams, and now helps shape the tools used by thousands of UK practices. In this conversation with Jo Wood and Zoe Whitman, he shares what actually changes lives for small business owners, why advisory is really about accountability and care, and how bookkeepers can step into a far more valuable role without needing complex forecasting models or extra qualifications.

You’ll hear how small practices can build stronger client relationships through active listening, why quarterly conversations transform both pricing and impact, how boundaries with clients protect both revenue and wellbeing, and why real-time data is the foundation of meaningful advice. Max also shares how winning multiple Xero awards came down to people-first systems, consistent processes and confidence in leading clients, not flashy tools or complicated reporting.

This episode also tackles the fear around automation and AI. Max explains why AI will not replace bookkeepers, but bookkeepers who use AI will replace those who don’t. He outlines how real-time bookkeeping, payments, credit control and better reporting are becoming the natural next step for modern practices — and how tools like Dext enable that shift by improving data accuracy and visibility.

If you are a UK bookkeeper wondering how to move into advisory, struggling with confidence, worried about AI, or unsure what your real value is beyond compliance, this episode provides clarity, reassurance and a practical roadmap forward.

This conversation is essential viewing for bookkeepers who want to become indispensable to their clients and build a more profitable, respected and future-proof practice.

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We're Jo and Zoe and we help bookkeepers find clients, make more money and build profitable businesses they love. Find out about working with us in The Bookkeepers' Collective, at: 6figurebookkeeper.com/collective

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