Why do people join a sectarian church community? Or MAGA? Or a mindset group like conspiracy theory followers? It's to gain identity from inclusion in that group. Too often, that group turns inward to become an "us" and soon starts looking to demonize "them" - those who are not us. And once demonization and dehumanization starts of "them," out come the torches and pitchforks and everyone better LOOK OUT! Getting out of the mob is messy and scary and, according to Pastor Paul... totally worth it. Come listen to the Unconventional Conversation.