The Credit Clubhouse

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00:00 - Diving into credit markets with Andrew Axelrod, Axar Capital

02:34 - Why distressed investing is thriving today

05:50 - Liability management exercises and their limitations

08:38 - Understanding Axar's approach to distressed companies

13:09 - Identifying what goes wrong in troubled businesses

17:49 - Where Axar finds opportunities in middle market

21:09 - The financials sector and M&A market dynamics

26:19 - Deleveraging and leadership in company turnarounds

32:41 - Dispelling myths and leveraging technology in turnarounds

37:58 - Predicting restructuring waves and addressing LP concerns

42:49 - Key learnings and a glimpse into AI's impact

Andrew Axelrod. Founder and CEO, Axar Capital - https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-axelrod-87ab661b9/

Todd Anderson, Head of Content & Programming, DealCatalyst - https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddanderson19/

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Important Disclosure: The views and opinions expressed here reflects the judgments and opinions of the speaker(s), do not purport to be complete, and do not reflect the official position of any affiliated firm, employer, or organization. No obligation to update or otherwise revise such views and opinions is being assumed. The content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or financial advice. Statements regarding market or economic conditions, forecasts, and forward-looking expectations are inherently uncertain, and actual results may differ materially. This content does not constitute, and should not be construed as, an offer of advisory services, securities or other financial instruments, a solicitation of an offer to buy any security or other financial instrument, or a recommendation to buy, hold or sell a security or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. References to specific securities, issuers, indexes, and strategies are for illustrative purposes only, may or may not be currently held by the hosts and guests in a direct or indirect capacity, and are not intended to be, and should not be interpreted as, an indication that an investment has been or will be profitable. Listeners should conduct their own due diligence and consult with a qualified financial, legal, or tax professional before making any investment decision.

Check out DealCatalyst's 2027 event schedule, hot off the presses - https://www.dealcatalyst.io/events/2027-schedule

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00:00 - Introducing Aaron Krawitz and today's credit market landscape

04:20 - How Bravo Capital differentiates in real estate lending

08:08 - Aaron's restructuring background shapes lending strategy

11:07 - Underwriting high-leverage deals and construction finance

14:27 - Understanding bank pullback and borrower priorities today

17:09 - Navigating HUD insured and healthcare real estate lending

23:05 - The importance of deep specialization in niche markets

27:11 - The reality of office to residential conversions in NYC

30:47 - Addressing overcrowding and geography in real estate credit

35:04 - AI's impact, culture's power, and LP misconceptions

40:16 - Identifying underappreciated risks and a market prediction

Aaron Krawitz, CEO and Founder, Bravo Capital - https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronkrawitz/

Todd Anderson, Head of Content & Programming, DealCatalyst - https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddanderson19/

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Important Disclosure: The views and opinions expressed here reflects the judgments and opinions of the speaker(s), do not purport to be complete, and do not reflect the official position of any affiliated firm, employer, or organization. No obligation to update or otherwise revise such views and opinions is being assumed. The content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or financial advice. Statements regarding market or economic conditions, forecasts, and forward-looking expectations are inherently uncertain, and actual results may differ materially. This content does not constitute, and should not be construed as, an offer of advisory services, securities or other financial instruments, a solicitation of an offer to buy any security or other financial instrument, or a recommendation to buy, hold or sell a security or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. References to specific securities, issuers, indexes, and strategies are for illustrative purposes only, may or may not be currently held by the hosts and guests in a direct or indirect capacity, and are not intended to be, and should not be interpreted as, an indication that an investment has been or will be profitable. Listeners should conduct their own due diligence and consult with a qualified financial, legal, or tax professional before making any investment decision.

Check out DealCatalyst's 2027 event schedule, hot off the presses - https://www.dealcatalyst.io/events/2027-schedule

DealCatalyst Homepage⁠ - https://www.dealcatalyst.io/

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00:00 - The Credit Clubhouse: welcome, guest, and Mavik Capital's Vision

03:18 - Why consensus leads to underperformance

06:12 - Understanding the Fujiwara Effect and unseen dangers in credit

10:22 - The systemic risks of consolidation and scale's impact on outperformance

15:48 - Unpacking the true state and opportunities in commercial real estate

19:43 - Geopolitics reshaping private markets

22:43 - Cautionary tales: AI, data centers, and speculative market manias

30:38 - Uncertainty creates investment opportunity

34:37 - Triathlon, resilience, and the core philosophy of Mavik Capital

Vik Uppal, Founder & CEO, Mavik Capital Management - https://www.linkedin.com/in/vik-uppal/

Todd Anderson, Head of Content & Programming, DealCatalyst - https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddanderson19/

https://linktr.ee/thecreditclubhousepodcast

Important Disclosure: The views and opinions expressed here reflects the judgments and opinions of the speaker(s), do not purport to be complete, and do not reflect the official position of any affiliated firm, employer, or organization. No obligation to update or otherwise revise such views and opinions is being assumed. The content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or financial advice. Statements regarding market or economic conditions, forecasts, and forward-looking expectations are inherently uncertain, and actual results may differ materially. This content does not constitute, and should not be construed as, an offer of advisory services, securities or other financial instruments, a solicitation of an offer to buy any security or other financial instrument, or a recommendation to buy, hold or sell a security or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. References to specific securities, issuers, indexes, and strategies are for illustrative purposes only, may or may not be currently held by the hosts and guests in a direct or indirect capacity, and are not intended to be, and should not be interpreted as, an indication that an investment has been or will be profitable. Listeners should conduct their own due diligence and consult with a qualified financial, legal, or tax professional before making any investment decision.

This episode is presented by ⁠TriState Capital Bank. TriState Capital Bank is a Pennsylvania chartered bank and a wholly owned subsidiary of Raymond James Financial, Inc. Member FDIC.

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00:58 - Welcome to The Credit Clubhouse & upcoming events

01:56 - Introducing Dustin Goldstein and TriState Capital Bank

02:34 - How treasury management became more strategic

04:30 - Biggest changes: technology and CFO concerns

06:37 - Dustin Goldstein's journey and TriState Capital's model

10:08 - Treasury's importance in bank-client & multibank world

16:03 - Service as the key differentiator in treasury

18:42 - Balancing yield, liquidity, and operational convenience

23:58 - Real-time payments and the future of treasury

31:05 - Staying ahead of sophisticated fraudsters in treasury

36:03 - TriState Capital's new asset-based finance vertical

40:18 - Conventional wisdom, CFO advice, and market opportunities

43:53 - Travel, hobbies, books, and future rate predictions

48:34 - Thank you and where to find DealCatalyst

Dustin Goldstein, Executive Vice President, Head of Treasury Management Sales and Strategy, TriState Capital Bank - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dustingoldstein/

Todd Anderson, Head of Content & Programming, DealCatalyst - https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddanderson19/

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Important Disclosure: The views and opinions expressed here reflects the judgments and opinions of the speaker(s), do not purport to be complete, and do not reflect the official position of any affiliated firm, employer, or organization. No obligation to update or otherwise revise such views and opinions is being assumed. The content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or financial advice. Statements regarding market or economic conditions, forecasts, and forward-looking expectations are inherently uncertain, and actual results may differ materially. This content does not constitute, and should not be construed as, an offer of advisory services, securities or other financial instruments, a solicitation of an offer to buy any security or other financial instrument, or a recommendation to buy, hold or sell a security or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. References to specific securities, issuers, indexes, and strategies are for illustrative purposes only, may or may not be currently held by the hosts and guests in a direct or indirect capacity, and are not intended to be, and should not be interpreted as, an indication that an investment has been or will be profitable. Listeners should conduct their own due diligence and consult with a qualified financial, legal, or tax professional before making any investment decision.

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00:00 - Welcome to The Credit Clubhouse: show & conference updates

02:23 - Reflecting on 9/11: a solemn New York remembrance

03:48 - Private credit: perceptions, redemptions, and retail access

09:30 - AI's exponential growth: capital needs and regulatory questions

13:55 - Crypto's long road: transforming banking and settlement timelines

20:46 - Sports ownership and private capital

27:46 - Football season excitement, sponsor thanks, and future plans

Todd Anderson, Head of Content & Programming, DealCatalyst - https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddanderson19/

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Important Disclosure: The views and opinions expressed here reflects the judgments and opinions of the speaker(s), do not purport to be complete, and do not reflect the official position of any affiliated firm, employer, or organization. No obligation to update or otherwise revise such views and opinions is being assumed. The content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or financial advice. Statements regarding market or economic conditions, forecasts, and forward-looking expectations are inherently uncertain, and actual results may differ materially. This content does not constitute, and should not be construed as, an offer of advisory services, securities or other financial instruments, a solicitation of an offer to buy any security or other financial instrument, or a recommendation to buy, hold or sell a security or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. References to specific securities, issuers, indexes, and strategies are for illustrative purposes only, may or may not be currently held by the hosts and guests in a direct or indirect capacity, and are not intended to be, and should not be interpreted as, an indication that an investment has been or will be profitable. Listeners should conduct their own due diligence and consult with a qualified financial, legal, or tax professional before making any investment decision.

This episode is presented by ⁠Cardo AI⁠, the operating system for asset-based finance. Curious to see the platform in action? Book a demo to learn more - https://cardoai.com/book-a-demo/

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00:00 - Diving into credit markets with John Kim of Reckoner Capital Management

02:19 - John Kim's path to niche credit investing

04:17 - Finding niche credit opportunities

06:33 - Why complex assets offer higher yields

09:44 - The surprisingly strong economy and credit risks

13:59 - Finding compoundable gains beyond equities

17:04 - Are private credit premiums eroding?

22:42 - The evolution of niche ABS markets

26:32 - The nuances of art and superyacht finance

31:18 - Market size and returns in esoteric assets

35:38 - Competing in growing alternative credit spaces

39:01 - Choosing expertise over name brand managers

41:08 - Solving problems with financial engineering

43:55 - Lending and credit in the evolving AI industry

46:35 - Hobbies, books, and predictions

51:35 - Thank you from The Credit Clubhouse

John Kim, CEO, Reckoner Capital Management - https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-e-kim-97009421a/

Todd Anderson, Head of Content & Programming, DealCatalyst - https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddanderson19/

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Important Disclosure: The views and opinions expressed here reflects the judgments and opinions of the speaker(s), do not purport to be complete, and do not reflect the official position of any affiliated firm, employer, or organization. No obligation to update or otherwise revise such views and opinions is being assumed. The content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or financial advice. Statements regarding market or economic conditions, forecasts, and forward-looking expectations are inherently uncertain, and actual results may differ materially. This content does not constitute, and should not be construed as, an offer of advisory services, securities or other financial instruments, a solicitation of an offer to buy any security or other financial instrument, or a recommendation to buy, hold or sell a security or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. References to specific securities, issuers, indexes, and strategies are for illustrative purposes only, may or may not be currently held by the hosts and guests in a direct or indirect capacity, and are not intended to be, and should not be interpreted as, an indication that an investment has been or will be profitable. Listeners should conduct their own due diligence and consult with a qualified financial, legal, or tax professional before making any investment decision.

This episode is presented by ⁠Cardo AI⁠, the operating system for asset-based finance. Curious to see the platform in action? Book a demo to learn more - https://cardoai.com/book-a-demo/

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00:00 - Welcome to The Credit Clubhouse: defining specialty finance today

04:23 - From marketplace to institutional: fintech lending's journey

12:37 - Beyond tech multiples: finding value in embedded lending

19:06 - Assessing consumer health and buy now, pay later's impact

27:15 - The win-win of embedded lending and concentration risks

31:30 - Navigating public vs. private ABS and banks' evolving role

36:32 - Capital inflows, market health, and LP Education

42:07 - Personal insights, predictions, and episode conclusion

Philip Bartow, Head of Specialty Finance & FinTech Lending, Sound Point Capital Management - https://www.linkedin.com/in/philip-bartow-99a51b1/

Todd Anderson, Head of Content & Programming, DealCatalyst - https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddanderson19/

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This material does not constitute an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to buy any securities. It is being provided solely for informational and reference purposes only and is not intended to be, and must not be, the basis for any investment decision. Statements represent the subjective views of Sound Point as of the date of the recording and cannot be independently verified and are subject to change. All investing involves risks, including the risk of a total loss. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

Important Disclosure: The views and opinions expressed here reflects the judgments and opinions of the speaker(s), do not purport to be complete, and do not reflect the official position of any affiliated firm, employer, or organization. No obligation to update or otherwise revise such views and opinions is being assumed. The content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or financial advice. Statements regarding market or economic conditions, forecasts, and forward-looking expectations are inherently uncertain, and actual results may differ materially. This content does not constitute, and should not be construed as, an offer of advisory services, securities or other financial instruments, a solicitation of an offer to buy any security or other financial instrument, or a recommendation to buy, hold or sell a security or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. References to specific securities, issuers, indexes, and strategies are for illustrative purposes only, may or may not be currently held by the hosts and guests in a direct or indirect capacity, and are not intended to be, and should not be interpreted as, an indication that an investment has been or will be profitable. Listeners should conduct their own due diligence and consult with a qualified financial, legal, or tax professional before making any investment decision.

This episode is presented by ⁠Cardo AI⁠, the operating system for asset-based finance. Curious to see the platform in action? Book a demo to learn more - https://cardoai.com/book-a-demo/

DealCatalyst Homepage⁠ - https://www.dealcatalyst.io/

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Private Credit Club⁠ - https://www.dealcatalyst.io/private-credit-club

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00:00 - Shaping investment philosophy through market shocks

05:18 - Corporate vs. consumer credit: transparency matters

09:08 - The hidden cost of illiquidity

12:02 - Private capital's new role in mortgage markets

15:52 - Navigating commercial mortgage market shocks and recovery

21:35 - Consumer credit's K-shaped recovery

25:16 - Securitization transforms private assets

33:41 - Data and AI in investment decisions

39:48 - AI's impact on consumer finance

43:32 - AI innovation in credit markets

46:38 - Navigating markets and personal insights: A wrap-up

Mark Tecotzky, Vice Chairman, Ellington Management Group - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-tecotzky-7bb00b134/

Todd Anderson, Head of Content & Programming, DealCatalyst - https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddanderson19/

https://linktr.ee/thecreditclubhousepodcast

Important Disclosure: The views and opinions expressed here reflects the judgments and opinions of the speaker(s), do not purport to be complete, and do not reflect the official position of any affiliated firm, employer, or organization. No obligation to update or otherwise revise such views and opinions is being assumed. The content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or financial advice. Statements regarding market or economic conditions, forecasts, and forward-looking expectations are inherently uncertain, and actual results may differ materially. This content does not constitute, and should not be construed as, an offer of advisory services, securities or other financial instruments, a solicitation of an offer to buy any security or other financial instrument, or a recommendation to buy, hold or sell a security or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. References to specific securities, issuers, indexes, and strategies are for illustrative purposes only, may or may not be currently held by the hosts and guests in a direct or indirect capacity, and are not intended to be, and should not be interpreted as, an indication that an investment has been or will be profitable. Listeners should conduct their own due diligence and consult with a qualified financial, legal, or tax professional before making any investment decision.

This episode is presented by ⁠Cardo AI⁠, the operating system for asset-based finance. Curious to see the platform in action? Book a demo to learn more - https://cardoai.com/book-a-demo/

DealCatalyst Homepage⁠ - https://www.dealcatalyst.io/

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Private Credit Club⁠ - https://www.dealcatalyst.io/private-credit-club

Listeners can save 10 percent on conference tickets by using the promo code CREDIT at checkout.

00:00 - Welcome to the Credit Clubhouse

02:26 - The explosive growth of fund finance markets

04:26 - This episode is presented by CARDO AI

05:23 - Assessing the current optimistic mood in fund finance

07:12 - Addressing the fund finance talent pool shortage

10:55 - Expanding the talent pool

12:57 - Disruption and portability in the legal market

16:23 - How hiring standards have evolved in fund finance

19:19 - The need for developing new fund finance talent

22:00 - Strategies for attracting and retaining top talent

25:59 - Introducing 'Inside Fund Finance' trade journal

30:11 - Key skills for a long-term fund finance career

32:58 - Mentoring's critical role

36:28 - AI and leadership: future impact on hiring

39:07 - Getting to know our guests: fun questions

45:00 - Episode conclusion and how to connect with guests

Rory Smith, Founder, Brickfield Fund Finance Recruitment - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rory-smith-82476914/

James Strode, Senior Associate, Brickfield Fund Finance Recruitment - https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-strode-85b3a8118/

Todd Anderson, Head of Content & Programming, DealCatalyst - https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddanderson19/

https://linktr.ee/thecreditclubhousepodcast

Important Disclosure: The views and opinions expressed here reflects the judgments and opinions of the speaker(s), do not purport to be complete, and do not reflect the official position of any affiliated firm, employer, or organization. No obligation to update or otherwise revise such views and opinions is being assumed. The content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or financial advice. Statements regarding market or economic conditions, forecasts, and forward-looking expectations are inherently uncertain, and actual results may differ materially. This content does not constitute, and should not be construed as, an offer of advisory services, securities or other financial instruments, a solicitation of an offer to buy any security or other financial instrument, or a recommendation to buy, hold or sell a security or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. References to specific securities, issuers, indexes, and strategies are for illustrative purposes only, may or may not be currently held by the hosts and guests in a direct or indirect capacity, and are not intended to be, and should not be interpreted as, an indication that an investment has been or will be profitable. Listeners should conduct their own due diligence and consult with a qualified financial, legal, or tax professional before making any investment decision.

This episode is presented by ⁠Cardo AI⁠, the operating system for asset-based finance. Curious to see the platform in action? Book a demo to learn more - https://cardoai.com/book-a-demo/

DealCatalyst Homepage⁠ - https://www.dealcatalyst.io/

DealCatalyst Events⁠ - https://www.dealcatalyst.io/events⁠

Private Credit Club⁠ - https://www.dealcatalyst.io/private-credit-club

Listeners can save 10 percent on conference tickets by using the promo code CREDIT at checkout.

00:00 - Welcome to the Credit Clubhouse

02:21 - Exploring the compelling opportunities in securitized credit

04:53 - Unpacking misconceptions and growth in digital infrastructure

08:01 - How structural protection shapes securitized credit investments

11:04 - Finding value in overcrowded and overlooked credit sectors

16:09 - Understanding the drivers and risks of data center investing

24:12 - Assessing leverage, liquidity, and structural vulnerabilities in credit

28:24 - The role of insurance capital and emerging credit markets

33:25 - A bold prediction for AI

Joe Allen, Deputy CIO & Head of Securitized Credit Strategies, Bright Meadow Capital - https://www.linkedin.com/in/joseph-allen-cfa-6071445/

Todd Anderson, Head of Content & Programming, DealCatalyst - https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddanderson19/

https://linktr.ee/thecreditclubhousepodcast

Important Disclosure: The views and opinions expressed here reflects the judgments and opinions of the speaker(s), do not purport to be complete, and do not reflect the official position of any affiliated firm, employer, or organization. No obligation to update or otherwise revise such views and opinions is being assumed. The content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or financial advice. Statements regarding market or economic conditions, forecasts, and forward-looking expectations are inherently uncertain, and actual results may differ materially. This content does not constitute, and should not be construed as, an offer of advisory services, securities or other financial instruments, a solicitation of an offer to buy any security or other financial instrument, or a recommendation to buy, hold or sell a security or other financial instruments in any jurisdiction. References to specific securities, issuers, indexes, and strategies are for illustrative purposes only, may or may not be currently held by the hosts and guests in a direct or indirect capacity, and are not intended to be, and should not be interpreted as, an indication that an investment has been or will be profitable. Listeners should conduct their own due diligence and consult with a qualified financial, legal, or tax professional before making any investment decision.