Dave is joined by Gong CMO Udi Ledergor.

He's a five-time Marketing leader at B2B start-ups and is currently the CMO at Gong, the Revenue Intelligence category leader helping go-to-market teams close more deals and accelerate growth by capturing, understanding and acting on their most important asset – customer interactions.

This conversation first appeared on Dave's B2B Marketing Leaders podcast (which is now Exit Five) in 2020.

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2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors

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Dave is joined by Goldcast Founder & CEO Palash Soni. Goldcast helps B2B marketers at companies like Toast, Github, Drift, Salesloft, and Starburst run engaging events that build pipeline. Dave and Palash talk about the world of event marketing today and lessons from Goldcast's startup marketing efforts over the last two years and his perspective on the role of marketing as Founder/CEO.

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Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Here’s how it works:

1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors

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Dave is joined by Henry Johnson. Henry is  an ex Software Sales rep that recently made the jump to be a full time entrepreneur and now owns a Shopify app called IziGift. Dave and Henry talking about quitting jobs, buying a Shopify app, podcasting as a strategy, audience building, and more. All over the map.

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Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Here’s how it works:

1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors

Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.

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Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

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Dave and Daniel Murray (Founder, Marketing Millennials and Head of Media at Sales Impact Academy) spend an hour talking LinkedIn strategy for B2B marketers and founders.

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This episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/

Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Here’s how it works:

1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors

Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

***

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Dave is joined by Chris Walker (CEO, Refine Labs). They talk about finding your best skills, articulating a company POV, developing a marketing strategy, a framework for demand generation, self reported attribution, LinkedIn, community, observations from what Refine Labs is seeing with B2B marketers today, and lessons from Chris' own LinkedIn strategy.

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This episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/

Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Here’s how it works:

1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors

Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

***

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Dave takes questions about B2B marketing from the Exit Five community with guest Breezy Beaumont (Head of Growth, Correlated). They talk about: career growth, marketing at an early stage startup, content/SEO, prioritizing marketing a young company, creating a category, how to build momentum, and more.

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This episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/

Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Here’s how it works:

1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors

Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.
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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

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Dave is joined by Mitch Causey (Founder & CEO of Demandwell) to talk about SEO and what B2B marketers need to know about SEO in 2022. This recording is from a live session we did a few months back.  Dave and Mitch help you understand how to think about SEO as a strategy in 2022, discuss what’s going on in SEO today, how top B2B SaaS companies are executing on SEO, the biggest opportunities in SEO, common mistakes and myths, who should own SEO, where SEO should sit inside of a marketing team team, and how to measure success with SEO.

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This episode is brought to you by Demandwell: https://www.demandwell.com/

Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Here’s how it works:

1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors

Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing the podcast for me. They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.

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Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

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This episode is from a live "Marketing Sells" Q&A session hosted by the team at Clearbit focused on questions about aligning sales and marketing teams featuring Dave, Colin White (Head of Demand Gen., Clearbit), Tara Robertson (Sr. Manager, Demand Gen., Chilipiper) and Matt Ferriss (Sr. Director, Enterprise Sales, Bombora). This conversation these questions below:

• How can you get buy-in from leadership to be closer aligned to revenue metrics? (Pipeline, Revenue etc)
• During planning season (quarterly/yearly), how closely should marketing/sales work together to get to the number?
• What cadence is ideal for Sales and Marketing teams to meet?
• Best way to deliver feedback between Sales and Marketing?
• Top tips on creating great sales<>marketing alignment?
• What are the top marketing materials/documentation that Sales teams actually care about?
• How should marketing teams contribute to cold outbound efforts?
• What do the best sales reps do before and after every meeting? How can marketing help?
• What strategies and tactics can Marketing & Sales use together targeting Enterprise accounts?

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Demandwell is the best SEO solution for B2B SaaS marketers. They’ve helped customers like Lessonly drive 40% of their revenue from organic search. And they helped Terminus’s make organic search their number one source of demos

Here’s how it works:

1. Results: Demandwell is built for driving the outcomes that b2b marketers care about - demand, traffic, leads, and revenue. 
2. Ease and control: Junior team members can follow recommended steps in the platform, while experts can customize and maintain full control over their work. 
3. Speed: With everything in one platform, Demandwell helps you crank out content that ranks and drives leads in minutes rather than hours. 

SEO expert or not, you should give Demandwell a try, and listeners of the Exit Five podcast can get a free competitive SEO Audit to see how you’re ranking relative to your competitors

Go to demandwell.com/fomo to get your free SEO consultation today.

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Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

***

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Dave is joined by Breezy Beaumont (Head of Growth, Correlated) and Andrew Capland (Founder of Delivering Value, Previously at Wistia, Postscript) to talk all things product-led growth and B2B startup marketing.

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

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Dave is joined by Sara-Beth Anders, SVP Marketing at Guild Education. Sara-Beth also previously held roles as Director of Product Marketing at LinkedIn and Director of Product & Customer Marketing at Greenhouse.

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Optimizely - A no-code AI platform where autonomous agents execute marketing work across webpages, email, SEO, and campaigns. Learn how to deploy agents on your marketing team at Agents in the Mix. Learn more at optimizely.com/exitfive. 

Vector - A contact-level ads platform that lets you build audiences from actual people on your site, clicking your ads, and checking out your competitors. Learn more at vector.co, and get their new MCP server by clicking here. 

Customer.io - An AI powered customer engagement platform that help marketers turn first-party data into engaging customer experiences across email, SMS, and push. Learn more at customer.io/exitfive.

Join us in Stowe, Vermont for Drive 2026 - three days away from your desk to learn what's working in B2B marketing from the people who are actually doing it. Grab your ticket at exitfive.com/drive.

***

Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.

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• Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.

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