Welcome back to the Forest School Podcast! In this episode, we dive into the intriguing ideas from Rory Sutherland's book Alchemy and explore how they can transform your Forest School practice. From the power of creative chaos to the impact of trust and training, this episode offers fresh perspectives for Forest School leaders, educators, and nature enthusiasts alike. 🌿

Join Lewis as he unpacks the concept of "scenting the soap," the role of placebos in Forest School, and the importance of heuristics in developing intuition and resilience in natural learning environments. Discover actionable insights and practical tips for enhancing your sessions and deepening connections with your participants.

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⏱ Chapter Timings

Introduction and Updates (00:00 - 04:42): Lewis shares podcast updates, including new guests and Patreon exclusives.

Creative Chaos and Forest School (09:11 - 11:36): Embracing unpredictability and nature’s role in fostering creativity.

Placebos and Scenting the Soap (23:03 - 25:29): How small details, like blankets and rituals, shape participant experiences.

Trust, Training, and Marketing (14:00 - 16:21): The importance of signalling commitment and building reputation in Forest School.

Developing Heuristics through Play (27:54 - 30:14): Encouraging intuition and flexible thinking in natural learning environments.

Closing Thoughts (37:16 - 39:00): Reflections on balancing science and storytelling in Forest School.

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What does it mean to truly know a tree? In this episode of the Forest School Podcast, we’re joined by Casey Clapp and Alex Crowson, hosts of the Completely Arbortrary podcast, to explore the fascinating tension between knowing trees as species and connecting with them as individuals. With Casey’s arborist expertise and Alex’s creative perspective, this conversation is full of surprising insights and heartwarming anecdotes that will forever change the way you see the trees around you. From personal stories of childhood tree connections (00:46:00) to the science of epicormic growth as a survival strategy (00:13:00), and even the heroic tale of the 250-year-old Overlook Oak saved from development (00:47:00), this episode is a deep dive into the magic of trees.

Key moments include Casey’s explanation of how naming a tree can deepen our connection by opening doors to patterns in nature (00:24:00), and Alex’s take on how trees can serve as archetypes, representing broader narratives that connect us to the natural world (00:21:00). We also discuss the role of community in forming collective bonds with specific trees, like the symbolic Robin Hood Tree, and the fascinating cultural significance of heritage trees across the globe (00:32:00). A standout quote from Casey: “When you get to know a tree’s name, it’s like seeing an old friend—you recognize its story and place in the world.”

Listeners will walk away with actionable takeaways, including how to introduce children to tree identification, use storytelling to foster emotional connections with nature, and see trees as metaphors for resilience and growth. Resources and tools mentioned include Casey’s upcoming book on urban tree identification, the inspiring story of Australia’s tree billboards, and a nod to Tolkien’s deeply rooted (pun intended) fascination with individual trees.

If you’ve ever wondered how trees connect us to the world around us, this is the episode for you! Listen now to be inspired by the stories, science, and symbolism of trees. Don’t forget to subscribe, share this episode with your community, and leave a review to support our work. Find us on Spotify, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, and via our RSS feed: 🎙️ Spotify 📺 YouTube 📻 Apple Podcasts 💻 RSS.

Dive into the chaos, creativity, and comedy that is Song Wars! In this special episode, we’ve compiled all the musical gems from past episodes, including the hilariously self-indulgent chats that led to their creation.

From heartfelt ballads about tagging games to unexpectedly funky anthems about bin juice and wet ropes, this is a Forest School Podcast experience like no other. Whether you’re here for a laugh or want a glimpse into the unfiltered madness of our musical endeavours, you’re in for a treat.

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Summary:

In this milestone 200th episode, hosts Lewis and Wem reflect on their podcasting journey, discussing the evolution of their content, memorable guest interviews, and the growth of the Forest School movement. They explore the integration of technology in outdoor education, the importance of inclusivity, and share personal anecdotes that have shaped their perspectives.

Timestamps:

00:01 – 00:09: Celebrating 200 episodes and the podcast's evolution.

08:50 – 09:30: Memorable guest insights, including Naomi Fisher and Merlin Sheldrake.

13:21 – 14:08: Transition from activity-focused content to deeper discussions.

14:12 – 14:40: Dream field trips to unique outdoor education settings.

21:12 – 22:39: Debate on the role of technology in Forest School.

27:14 – 28:56: Wishlist of future podcast guests, from philosophers to modern educators.

28:40 – 28:54: Philosophical musings on play and education.

18:44 – 19:28: Gratitude to listeners and aspirations for future episodes.

Resources Mentioned:

Naomi Fisher's Work: Dr. Naomi Fisher is a clinical psychologist specializing in trauma, autism, and alternative learning methods. Explore her publications and insights on her official website:

Naomi Fisher

Merlin Sheldrake's Research: Merlin Sheldrake is a biologist and author known for his work on fungi and mycorrhizal networks. Learn more about his research and publications here:

Merlin Sheldrake

Nonviolent Communication: Nonviolent Communication (NVC) is a communication process developed by Marshall Rosenberg. It focuses on empathetic listening and expressing needs without judgment. Find more information at the Center for Nonviolent Communication:

For the Wild

The Art of Holding Space: This concept involves supporting others without judgment, maintaining an open and empathetic presence. For a comprehensive guide, refer to Heather Plett's work:

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When is it okay to step into a child's play? In this episode, we explore the delicate art of intervening in play cycles, discussing when to annihilate or contain play, how to navigate safety concerns, and ways to maintain emotional and physical balance. Join us for actionable insights, real-life scenarios, and strategies for reflective practice that will help you confidently manage play in your Forest School. Perfect for leaders, educators, and playworkers looking to refine their approach!

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Summary:
In this episode, we explore the purpose of Forest School as a space for children to engage in free play, build social connections, and experience the joy of childhood without the pressures of traditional, outcome-driven education. Discover why Forest School stands as a community resource, supports mental health, and challenges the idea of “resume-building” for children.

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Summary

In this episode, Lewis explores the biases surrounding verbal and nonverbal communication within the context of forest school training. He discusses the importance of recognizing and addressing these biases to create a more inclusive environment for participants. The conversation delves into various aspects of communication, including play cues, emotional expressions, and the impact of verbal hierarchies. Lewis emphasizes the need for forest school leaders to value nonverbal communication and consider its role in fostering connections among participants.

Takeaways

The forest school training emphasizes intentional decision-making.

Verbal and nonverbal communication biases can impact participant interactions.

Non-judgmental approaches are essential in forest school settings.

Communication barriers can arise from emotional overwhelm or language differences.

Play cues often involve nonverbal communication that should be recognized.

Apologies can take many forms beyond verbal expressions.

Verbal hierarchies can create barriers in communication with children.

Nonverbal communication is a key aspect of forest school leadership.

Forest school leaders are uniquely positioned to value nonverbal cues.

Reflecting on communication practices can enhance inclusivity.

Chapters

00:00 Unpacking Intentional Communication

05:41 Exploring Language Bias in Communication

09:00 The Role of Nonverbal Cues

14:37 Play Cues and Communication Dynamics

17:26 Apologies and Emotional Expressions

20:19 Verbal Hierarchies and Participation

23:42 Nonverbal Communication in Nature

26:39 Reflecting on Practice and Inclusivity

42:13 Exploring Bias in Communication

42:44 Engagement with Participants

43:11 Community and Reflective Practices

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Summary:
In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, host Lewis Ames sits down with Laura Henry-Allain MBE, author, consultant, and creator of the beloved children’s show Jojo & Gran Gran. They explore the importance of representation in early years education, how to create inclusive learning environments, and why conversations about diversity should start early. Laura shares practical advice for parents and educators, emphasizing the power of storytelling in fostering empathy and understanding. Tune in to learn how YOU can make a difference in your classroom, Forest School, or home learning environment.

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Laura Henry-Allain MBE is a celebrated author and early years consultant known for her work in children's media and literature. She is the creator of the TV series Jojo & Gran Gran, which highlights the importance of familial bonds and cultural representation. Laura has written several books that explore themes of inclusion and diversity, such as My Skin, Your Skin. Connect with Laura on her website laurahanryelaine.com.

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In this enlightening conversation, Lewis Ames is joined by Kirk Martin from the Calm Parenting Podcast to delve into the powerful tool of scripting in parenting—especially when dealing with strong-willed children. They explore how pre-planned scripts can offer parents practical phrases to navigate emotionally charged situations, while helping kids feel understood and secure. The episode emphasizes the importance of modeling language and behavior, maintaining consistency, and adjusting scripts as needed. Key takeaways include strategies for balancing authority and empathy, understanding emotional responses, and the role of curiosity and tone in effective communication.

If you're a parent, educator, or outdoor leader looking for actionable tips, this episode offers insight into how scripting can transform your approach in challenging moments.

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Chapters:

00:00 – Introduction to Kirk and Calm Parenting
Lewis introduces Kirk Martin, the host of Calm Parenting Podcast, and highlights his approach to working with children through nonviolent communication and practical scripts.

04:34 – Understanding Strong-Willed Children
Kirk dives into the characteristics of strong-willed kids and why traditional parenting techniques often backfire with them.

07:33 – The Importance of Scripting in Parenting
Learn how using pre-planned scripts can help parents stay calm and provide consistency in tricky situations. Kirk shares examples of go-to phrases that make kids feel heard.

10:36 – Practical Applications of Scripting
Kirk and Lewis discuss how to adapt these scripts to various parenting or teaching scenarios, including outdoor learning environments.

13:32 – Modeling Language for Kids
They explore the importance of parents and educators modeling the kind of respectful, calm communication they expect from children.

16:40 – Consistency in Parenting Approaches
Kirk explains how sticking to scripts and being consistent with boundaries helps children feel safe and secure.

22:27 – Navigating Emotional Responses
What do you do when kids' emotions are running high? Kirk talks about using scripts to acknowledge kids’ feelings while guiding them through their emotions.

25:30 – Scripts for Effective Communication
Discover specific scripts that can diffuse tense moments and help children open up in more productive ways.

28:13 – Using Humor and Relatability in Scripts
Kirk emphasizes the importance of humor in scripts to make communication feel lighter and more relatable to children.

31:15 – Creating Space for Processing Ideas
The value of giving kids space after you use a script, allowing them time to think and calm down.

34:11 – The Dynamics of Parenting and Communication
They discuss the flow between authority and empathy in parenting and teaching, and how scripts can strike the perfect balance.

37:12 – Scripting Conversations: The Art of Flow Charts
Kirk shares how you can think of scripts like flow charts, with different responses depending on how the child reacts.

39:42 – When Scripts Fail: Embracing Authenticity
Kirk discusses the importance of flexibility—sometimes scripts don’t work, and that’s okay. Authentic responses have their place too.

43:43 – Physical Movement and Emotional Processing
"Motion changes emotion." Learn how getting kids physically active can help them work through emotional responses.

47:48 – Curiosity and Active Listening in Conflict Resolution
Kirk and Lewis explore how curiosity can be a game-changer in de-escalating conflicts. Ask questions like, "What’s frustrating you the most right now?"

52:24 – The Power of Honesty and Tone in Communication
How being honest and using the right tone in your scripts can foster deeper connections and better emotional regulation in kids.

56:39 – Understanding Emotional Responses and Validation
The episode wraps up with a focus on validating emotions and helping children feel understood, even when they're struggling to express themselves.

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Episode Summary:
In this episode, we chat with Kendra McWilliam about making Forest School accessible to people of all ages, abilities, and backgrounds. Kendra shares her insights on adapting sessions for diverse needs, running intergenerational projects, and securing funding for community-driven outdoor projects. You’ll learn actionable strategies to transform YOUR sessions into more inclusive and engaging spaces.

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Guest Introduction:
Kendra McWilliam is an experienced Forest School practitioner who focuses on making nature-based education accessible to everyone, regardless of age or ability. She’s been running inclusive community projects for over a decade and is passionate about building spaces where everyone feels welcome and engaged.

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