In this lively, idea packed episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Wem move from Halloween chatter to a full nature reset. Wales waterfalls, Pen y Fan, Regent’s Park squirrels, and the deer rut at Richmond Park set the scene for a deeper dive. Lewis picks up Ludo Botany again and invites listeners to help build a new series, starting with tree climbing. The pair then unpack a Finnish trial that “rewilded” kindergartens with real forest floor to boost children’s microbiomes, compare new Australian findings, and explore equity, ethics, hygiene practice, and culture change. A new original song appears too. It is written from the viewpoint of an oak tree watching its acorns become craft supplies. 🌳

⏱ Chapter Timings

00:00 – Patreon intro and scene setting

01:12 – Halloween, Wales waterfalls, Pen y Fan, London parks, and the deer rut

07:02 – Ludo Botany returns and a listener call out for tree climbing nominations

09:21 – New song premiere about acorns and seasonal crafting

13:28 – Finland’s “forest floor in preschool” study and children’s microbiomes

20:12 – Australian follow up and wider wellbeing gains beyond health

22:55 – Mud as equity and even an academic intervention for learners

26:30 – Ethics and longevity of transplanted soil and maintenance questions

33:22 – Practicalities in settings: hygiene, thresholds, roles, and risk benefit

35:56 – Alternatives: link settings to real woodlands and use green hedges to cut pollution

🌲 Keywords

Forest School, microbiome play, rewilded kindergartens, Finnish early years, Australian study, loose parts, hygiene thresholds, equity in education, tree climbing, Ludo Botany, Richmond Park deer rut, Welsh waterfalls

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📚 Article and studies mentioned

Guardian feature: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/29/soil-sandpit-children-dirty-biodiversity-finnish-nurseries-research-microbes-bacteria-aoe

Finnish intervention study (Science Advances, 2020): https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aba2578

Open-access version: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7556828/

Australian childcare soil microbiome study (2024): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38583619/

Flinders news summary: https://news.flinders.edu.au/blog/2024/06/18/dose-of-dirt-for-healthy-play/

On playground pollution barriers with hedges: https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/roadside-hedges-can-reduce-harmful-ultrafine-particle-pollution-around-schools

and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-18509-w

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In this reflective, good-humoured episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma wander from hornets and sweet chestnuts to big ideas in space design and session planning. They unpack a fresh “great board experiment” that swaps linear timetables for an Eight Shields-inspired planning wheel, then dive into a beautiful Japanese coffee-table book, The World Designed for Children, to ask how architecture can invite play. Along the way: apples, dehydrators, built-in play features, minimalism versus loose parts, logos and community identity, and a brand-new concept Lewis coins on air — Ludo Botany — matching kinds of play with specific plants and woodland management over time. It is a lively mix of practice, philosophy, and proper woodland gossip. 🌳

⏱ Chapter Timings

00:00 – Wind, wildlife, and sweet chestnuts: back in the woods

03:10 – Glut season: apples, dehydration, and preserving abundance

06:16 – The great board experiment: why ditch the linear plan

08:20 – Planning with Eight Shields energies instead of activities

11:21 – From checklists to a “spoked wheel”: transparency and crossing things out

20:42 – The World Designed for Children: minimalist nurseries and built-in play

24:54 – Ponds, sandpits, stairs you can climb: architecture as invitation

29:16 – Loose parts, display culture, and what “the space is the resource” means

34:36 – Brand, logos, patches, shared rituals: identity without uniforms

45:06 – Introducing Ludo Botany and “plant baby plant”: designing for play yields

🌲 Keywords

Forest School planning, Eight Shields, session design, Japanese early years architecture, built-in play, loose parts, brand and community, reflective practice, woodland management, Ludo Botany

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In this reflective, funny episode, Lewis and Gemma reunite in the same room, fresh from a Royal Forestry Society award and a whirlwind visit to Westonbirt Arboretum. Using the provocatively titled book *We Need Your Art: Stop ***ing Around and Make Something as a springboard, they unpack how Western culture sidelines creativity, why Forest School’s process-first ethos matters, and how to plan for failure with kinder self-talk. Expect talk of “shitty art” challenges, class and permission to fail, celebrating small milestones without slipping into praise economies, acorn milk experiments, squirrel mysteries, and the radical power of modelling silliness so children feel safe to try, tinker, and try again.

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00:43 – Back together: RFS award, Westonbirt Arboretum, and “Square Oil” giggles
04:24 – The book: bold Sharpie manifestos that kick you into making
06:15 – Structure: reflective prompts, a two-week “make something daily” challenge, and looking back
07:36 – Why Forest School is a curriculum-free haven for creativity, not metrics
08:52 – How school and society infantilise art and push it to the margins
11:44 – Product versus process: performances, gifts, and the “motivation soup”
19:18 – Class, safety nets, and permission to fail in creative careers
21:39 – Plan your self-talk for when you fail; modelling kinder language with parents
33:26 – Celebrating small milestones together without turning joy into judgment
52:32 – Stop at 80%: making endings easy, sustainable, and actually enjoyable

🌲 Keywords: Forest School creativity, process-focused learning, failure and self-talk, celebrating milestones, class and creativity, modelling silliness, acorn processing, non-judgemental spaces, child-led practice, practitioner reflection

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A heartfelt conversation with Mell Harrison about Kinda Education’s plan to become the new custodians of Ringsfield Hall and bring a living school to life. We explore the vision, the sociocratic way of working, multi-generational learning in practice, and the immediate ways listeners can help.

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1. Donate or start a mini fundraiser on the crowdfunder.

2. Share the crowdfunder link and the Instagram reel in your groups.

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4. If you have relevant skills or local knowledge, contact Kinda via the website.

• 00:00 Intro and why this matters

• 02:31 Mell’s background and the roots of Kinda

• 07:30 The project reveal and why Ringsfield Hall

• 13:39 How the living school will work day to day

• 16:26 What living curriculum means in practice

• 19:47 Working with different stakeholders through clear layers

• 23:32 Social impact, elders, and a transferable model

• 27:50 Momentum in alternative education and home education

• 31:49 Starting points for new projects and sociocracy

• 37:07 The crowdfunder and immediate next steps
  #ForestSchool #AlternativeEducation #HomeEducation #OutdoorLearning #NatureConnection #Sociocracy #CommunityEducation #SEND #TraumaInformed #RingsfieldHall #KindaEducation

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In this calm, reflective conversation, Lewis and Wem sit down with play worker and artist Max Alexander of Play Radical to explore autistic play as a joyful, valid, and richly varied landscape. Max shares how one to one playwork can reconnect isolated young people to authentic play, why reflection habits from nursing training shaped their practice, and how non extractive documentation like session haiku can honour privacy while communicating value. The trio unpack the difference between rigid taxonomies and Max’s lighter play shapes, discuss why autistic play matters for wellbeing today rather than only for future outcomes, and explore practitioner shorthand that helps teams notice and scaffold emerging shapes. The second half turns to adult play, instincts, and the social barriers that police how bodies move in public. The result is a practical and humane guide to noticing more, intervening less, and creating space where play can breathe.

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00:43 Windy morning intro and Max joins the chat
02:11 What Play Radical is and how Max works across roles
03:47 One to one playwork and inclusion for isolated autistic children
05:22 From nursing to The Yard and how practice took shape
08:03 Reflection habits and a commitment to accessible information
13:06 Haiku as non extractive documentation and a live example
16:25 Play shapes versus taxonomies and how to hold them lightly
22:34 Why autistic play matters for wellbeing and joy right now
23:26 Practitioner shorthand and supporting emerging shapes
33:42 Adult play instincts and barriers in public spaces

Autistic play, play shapes, neurodiversity, inclusive playwork, one to one playwork, reflective practice, haiku documentation, Forest School, Bob Hughes play types, practitioner shorthand, adult play, privacy in play, anti ableism, teen play, Play Radical, The Yard Edinburgh

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In this warm, idea-packed episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Wem move from personal updates to a deep dive on resilience. Using Looby McNamara’s Cultural Emergence and Chris Johnstone’s framing, they explore recovery, adaptive, transformative, and spreading resilience. They challenge the “just power through” myth, contrast perseverance with true resilience, and look at how groups become more sustainable through transparency, shared roles, and flatter hierarchies. Expect practical examples from fire-lighting to policy writing, plus reflections on neurodivergence, school attendance narratives, and how adults can model resilience when there’s a supportive team around them.

⏱ Chapter Timings:
00:00 – Patreon intro and setting the scene for a busy month
01:39 – London “bird orchestra,” road trip vibes, and upcoming FSA plans
04:26 – What the FSA road shows are and why mini-conferences matter
06:03 – Workshop picks: coil baskets, nature connection, and “dangerous toys”
07:24 – A secret embargoed event, outfit chat, and Wem begins a PhD
10:28 – Four types of resilience via Looby McNamara and Chris Johnstone
12:53 – Oxford definitions: beyond “hardness” to bouncing and recovery
20:12 – Adaptive resilience vs perseverance: the fire-lighting example
22:42 – Community resilience: transparency, small teams, and avoiding burnout
41:54 – Modelling resilience, flatter hierarchies, and support networks

🌲 Keywords: Forest School resilience, Looby McNamara, Chris Johnstone, adaptive vs perseverance, community resilience, transparent roles, policies as pearls, neurodivergent perspectives, FSA road shows, outdoor learning practice

🔖 Hashtags:
#ForestSchool #OutdoorEducation #Resilience #CommunityLearning

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In this warm and curious episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma sit down with historian and fibre artist Nicole DeRushie to explore her new book, Bog Fashion: Recreating Bronze and Iron Age Clothes. The conversation traces Nicole’s path from Forest School leader to public historian, then dives into experimental archaeology, everyday clothing in prehistory, women’s roles in textile innovation, and why craft skills like nalbinding still matter. Expect practical insight for educators who want to bring textiles into sessions, thoughtful reflections on value and labour, and plenty of joy in imperfect making. Note for listeners: this was a cloud recording so audio quality varies, yet the content is rich throughout.

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⏱ Chapter Timings
00:00 Patreon intro and why listener support keeps the show going
01:11 Episode set up, Nicole’s book Bog Fashion, and what to expect
02:42 From Forest School to public history, museums, and ancient craft practice
07:53 Why Bronze and Iron Age clothing, and why bog finds matter for teaching
13:29 Everyday lives over kings and dates, making museums feel lived in
22:39 Who made the cloth, evidence, myths, and what we can and cannot claim
31:32 The changing value of textiles, from household wealth to fast fashion
37:58 The crafter’s triangle, learning through failure, and Forest School links
49:11 Endangered crafts and nalbinding, how to keep skills alive
1:05:17 Where to find Nicole and Bog Fashion, retailers, events, and Instagram

🔗 Links from this episode
Bog Fashion at ChronoCopia Publishing, book details and retailers: chronocopia.se/books/bog-fashion/ chronocopia.se
Nicole DeRushie on Instagram: instagram.com/grounded_history Instagram
Heritage Crafts Red List overview: heritagecrafts.org.uk/skills/redlist Heritage Crafts
Nalbinding craft page, background and status: heritagecrafts.org.uk/craft/nalbinding Heritage Crafts
Must Farm, Late Bronze Age settlement and textile context: mustfarm.com/bronze-age-settlement/about Must Farm
Ashmolean Museum shop listing among UK stockists, via publisher page: shop.ashmolean.org and chronocopia stockist list chronocopia.se

🌲 Keywords: Bog Fashion, prehistoric textiles, experimental archaeology, nalbinding, heritage crafts, women and weaving, Bronze Age clothing, Iron Age clothing, Forest School activities, public history

🔖 Hashtags:
#ForestSchool #OutdoorEducation #BogFashion #PrehistoricTextiles #ExperimentalArchaeology #Nalbinding #HeritageCrafts #ChildLedLearning #CPD #NatureBasedLearning

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In this lively and wide-ranging episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Wem are joined by Dr Alistair Bryce-Clegg for a passionate conversation about early years education, authentic child development, and how political targets can squeeze the joy out of childhood. From the UK government’s 75% ‘good level of development’ goal to the cultural biases baked into classroom expectations, Alistair shares decades of experience as a teacher, head, author, and consultant. The discussion challenges compliance-focused models, explores the link between environment and behaviour, and highlights the importance of safe failure and intrinsically motivated play. With powerful anecdotes from around the world – from Cumbria classrooms to Icelandic snow schools and Australian bush kindy – this episode is a call to create spaces where all children can flourish, indoors and out.

⏱ Chapter Timings:
00:00 – Introducing Dr Alistair Bryce-Clegg and his unexpected journey into early years
03:14 – The politics of ‘school readiness’ and targets not based on child development
07:36 – Cultural differences, compliance vs engagement, and the risk of starting too soon
12:20 – Why typical behaviour is often punished – and the gender bias in compliance
17:01 – International examples of environments that foster genuine listening
22:40 – Narrowing age bands, Ofsted pressure, and creating authentic spaces for all children
27:54 – Forest School, play-based learning, and the value of safe failure
35:40 – Training, bias, and the risk of disillusionment with learning
44:02 – Forest School as a ‘pressure valve’ vs an integrated approach to wellbeing
53:58 – Advocating for autodidactic learning in a system built for compliance

🌲 Keywords: early years education, school readiness, good level of development, authentic child development, compliance vs engagement, play-based learning, safe failure, gender bias in education, Ofsted pressure, forest school ethos, outdoor learning, international education, neurodiversity, classroom environment, intrinsic motivation

🔖 Hashtags:
#ForestSchool #EarlyYears #OutdoorLearning #ChildDevelopment #AuthenticPlay #SafeFailure #IntrinsicMotivation #Neurodiversity #ComplianceVsEngagement #ForestSchoolPodcast #PlayBasedLearning #EducationPolicy #TeacherTraining #WellbeingInEducation #AutodidacticLearning

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In this thought-provoking episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis speaks with Melissa, widely known as The Modern Mortician, to explore the deep intersections between death care, nature connection, and community learning. Beginning with light-hearted bug encounters and moving into meaningful reflections, the conversation spans Melissa’s career journey from traditional funeral homes to her current role as a death doula and advocate for greener, more intentional end-of-life practices. Together they unpack topics including green burial, water cremation, the realities and myths around “eco” death products, and how environmental considerations influence our final choices. They also discuss the emotional and cultural importance of involving children in death rituals, parallels between small animal burials at Forest School and human funerals, and how openness, presence, and hands-on experience can change our relationship with loss. With a mix of practical insight, personal stories, and gentle humour, this episode invites listeners to rethink death as a natural, participatory part of life.

🌲 Chapter Timings:
00:00 – Clay hairpieces, bug encounters, and the day’s woodland context
02:01 – Introducing Melissa: The Modern Mortician’s work and journey into death care
06:37 – Animal burials at Forest School and what really happens underground
09:19 – Green burial processes and Melissa’s personal story of exhuming her cat
12:24 – How grief and burial choices can shift over time
20:07 – Balancing professional knowledge with honouring people’s choices
24:14 – Water cremation explained: process, benefits, and environmental impact
26:39 – Why conservation burial tops the list for eco-friendly end-of-life care
31:18 – Myths, marketing, and the truth about “eco” burial products
37:24 – Local sourcing, human composting, and hidden environmental costs
50:52 – Why children benefit from involvement in death rituals
56:26 – Behind-the-scenes realities of funeral industry “natural” presentation
1:01:02 – Advice for Forest School leaders: normalising involvement and presence

🌲 Keywords: green burial, water cremation, human composting, conservation burial, natural burial, eco death care, death doula, child involvement in funerals, animal burials, Forest School rituals, end-of-life choices, environmental impact of funerals, grief and participation, cultural attitudes to death, The Modern Mortician

🔖 Hashtags:
#ForestSchool #OutdoorEducation #GreenBurial #WaterCremation #ChildLedLearning #EcoDeathCare #DeathDoula #ForestSchoolPodcast #NatureAndDeath #LifeCycles #CommunityRituals #SustainableFunerals #EndOfLifeEducation #HandsOnHealing #TheModernMortician

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In this wonder-filled episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Wem speak with Dr Richard Buggs—geneticist at Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, and Queen Mary University London—about ash dieback, DNA sequencing, and the unseen resilience of trees. With clarity and warmth, Richard explains how genome research is unlocking crucial answers about pest resistance, why ash trees are evolving faster than expected, and how broadleaf diversity might just be the secret weapon in the fight against invasive fungi. From the naming of Betula buggsii to Darwin’s “abominable mystery,” this episode weaves together science, stewardship, and surprise. The conversation also highlights the vital role of biosecurity, the complex interplay between genetics and environment, and the hope offered by natural regeneration. It's a deeply grounding listen for educators, woodland stewards, and anyone curious about trees, time, and how we make sense of the mysteries still growing all around us.

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⏱ Chapter Timings:
00:00 – Introducing Dr Richard Buggs and his work at Kew and Queen Mary
03:24 – Naming a birch tree: Betula buggsii and the story behind it
06:06 – From weed science to ash genome sequencing
09:49 – How tree genomes are sequenced: glowing letters and supercomputers
14:12 – Ash trees, biodiversity, and co-evolution with fungi
15:59 – What ash dieback is and how it kills trees
18:30 – Why some ash trees survive and the role of natural regeneration
23:00 – Faster-than-expected evolution and what it reveals
28:00 – How DNA research helps where traditional trials cannot
35:05 – Darwin’s abominable mystery, flowering plants, and sacred questions

🌲 Keywords:
Ash dieback, forest pathogens, DNA sequencing, Richard Buggs, Kew Gardens, tree genomics, Darwin’s abominable mystery, tree evolution, natural regeneration, plant biosecurity, broadleaf trees, Forest School safety, invasive species, Victorian botany, sacred mystery, forest ecology

🔖 Hashtags:
#AshDieback #TreeGenomics #ForestSchoolPodcast #KewGardens #BroadleafBiodiversity #PlantScience #OutdoorLearning #DNASequencing #NaturalRegeneration #ForestEcology #SacredMystery #OutdoorEducation #ForestSchoolSafety #Biosecurity #AbominableMystery

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