What do you do when there’s no one to turn to and every decision rests on you?

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer raw, real questions from law firm owners navigating isolation, leadership doubts, and the pressure to stay strong when everything feels uncertain. From managing tough team decisions to questioning your purpose as a business owner, Michael shares why staying in the arena, even when you’re tired, scared, or second-guessing yourself, is the mark of true leadership.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

When the weight of leadership feels heaviest, that’s when you prove you’re built for it.

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06:28 – Jessica reads a listener question about making hard decisions without anyone to confide in.

06:57 – Michael discusses isolation in leadership and why the Crisp Community exists to combat it.

10:12 – Michael uses a Reddit story and triathlon training as a metaphor for consistency and identity in leadership.

10:54 – Michael describes the moments every entrepreneur questions whether they’re cut out for this.

14:13 – Michael breaks down why knowledge only becomes power when paired with behavioral change.

15:19 – Michael explains why struggle is part of the journey and how adversity builds the next level of leadership.

16:44 – Michael opens up about decision fatigue and the importance of trusting your team.

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What if the only way to build unshakable success is to suffer for it every single day?

As part of the “Road to the Summit”, a special series ramping up to the 2025 Game Changers Summit this November 12–13, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we’re throwing it back to the 2023 Game Changers Summit, where Joe De Sena, founder and CEO of Spartan Race, took the stage to unpack what it truly takes to lead with grit, persistence, and purpose.  

From cleaning pools for mobsters in Queens to building a global fitness empire that nearly collapsed during the pandemic, Joe’s story is a masterclass in resilience. He reveals that doing hard things isn’t punishment but preparation, and that embracing discomfort builds the kind of resilience that separates those who survive from those who succeed.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

If you want to build a life that can’t be broken, this episode will show you how to earn it.

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Show Notes:

02:43 – Joe recalls growing up in Queens surrounded by hustlers and mobsters — and the lessons that shaped his early work ethic.

07:26 – The business advice Joe received from a mob boss that taught him the value of showing up early, going above and beyond, and never asking for money.

11:53 – Joe shares how his repeated rejections from Cornell taught him the power of persistence and delayed gratification.

18:46 – The creation of Spartan Race — how Joe turned his passion for endurance and suffering into a global fitness empire.

20:44 – Joe reveals how the pandemic nearly destroyed Spartan, costing $50 million, and why grit kept him from quitting.

25:42 – The story of the Japanese marathon monks and what extreme commitment looks like in practice.

33:48 – Why manufacturing adversity every day — through cold showers, burpees, and hard choices — is the key to building lasting resilience.

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Trust isn’t automatic. You have to earn it in business, in leadership, and at home.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three listener questions about trust, boundaries, and values. From finding the right executive assistant to protecting your peace as your success grows, and even raising kids who understand the value of hard work, they share the practical systems and mindset shifts that help leaders thrive both at work and at home.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

Real growth tests more than your business. It reveals your values and your character.

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08:33 – Michael explains the trust equation and why trust must be earned before you hand over critical access.

11:06 – Michael lays out checks and balances for delegating finance, calendar, and email access to an assistant.

13:22 – Michael answers the “winner’s circle” question and explains why success makes authentic relationships harder to spot.

15:58 – Michael explains how to protect your time and prioritize what matters when every request feels urgent.

17:45 – Jessica reflects on the inner circle and why relationship quality matters more than quantity.

19:33 – Michael discusses the fear of raising entitled kids and why values, not lifestyle, shape gratitude.

22:16 – Jessica gives the bracelet example and other practical ways to teach kids the value of effort and money.

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What happens when the nation’s most successful law firm owners debate where the legal industry is headed next?

As part of the “Road to the Summit”, a special series ramping up to the 2025 Game Changers Summit this November 12–13, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we revisit the Law Firm of the Future panel live from the 2022 Game Changers Summit, where Michael Mogill sits down with Alexander Shunnarah, Anthony Johnson, Bob Tharp, and Eric Chaffin for an unfiltered conversation about the forces reshaping the legal industry and what it takes to lead in the next era.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

The future of law isn’t waiting — it’s already here. Are you ready to lead it?

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Show Notes:

03:04 – Anthony Johnson explains why the legal industry’s lag in adopting technology will soon give way to rapid automation and smarter processes.

04:44 – Alexander Shunnarah shares how private equity and ABS investment are already reshaping the legal marketplace.

05:35 – Bob Tharp urges firm owners to overcome their fear of KPIs and treat data as the foundation of every decision.

06:32 – Eric Chaffin reveals how “doing good by doing right” became his firm’s rallying call and culture cornerstone.

08:19 – Anthony Johnson breaks down why data has surpassed oil in value and how information drives better firm strategy.

10:22 – Bob Tharp predicts the end of the billable hour and explains why clients will demand flat-rate pricing and cost transparency.

17:18 – Alexander Shunnarah discusses his firm’s evolution from pre-litigation to a full trial practice — and why brand integrity matters.

19:58 – Eric Chaffin shares a deeply personal story of overcoming adversity, proving that humility and vulnerability are essential to leadership.

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What if hitting your biggest goals is the very thing that makes you feel lost?

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill unpack what happens after the win — when the goal you worked years to achieve doesn’t deliver the fulfillment you expected. From the emotional crash that follows major milestones to the deeper search for purpose that defines lasting success, Michael shares a personal perspective on how to realign your ambition with meaning before burnout takes over.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

You’ve conquered the mountain. Now it’s time to discover what comes next.

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06:30 – The danger of comparing your success to what you see on social media

07:46 – Why balance is possible, but only after you’ve earned it

09:46 – The price of success and the unseen sacrifices behind every highlight reel

12:32 – How to weigh big opportunities against their personal cost

14:06 – The story of Rick Moranis and redefining success around family and values

16:16 – Why achieving major goals can leave you feeling empty

18:57 – How to reignite your drive by setting a bigger vision that makes an impact

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What does it take to build a brand so strong it outlasts markets, competitors, and entire eras of legal marketing?

As part of the “Road to the Summit”, a special series ramping up to the 2025 Game Changers Summit this November 12-13, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of the Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we revisit the legendary Power Players Panel live from the 2021 Game Changers Summit. 

Michael Mogill sits down with Alexander Shunnarah, Roopal Luhana, Joe Fried, and Harlan Schillinger, four industry icons who have redefined leadership, innovation, and influence in the legal world. From personal transformation and authenticity to the rise of digital dominance and firm ownership shifts, this discussion uncovers how the best continue to rise while others fall behind.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

These are the voices shaping the next generation of law, and this conversation will show you how to stand among them. 

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Show Notes:

03:03 – Roopal Luhana shares why aligning with Pittsburgh Steeler Najee Harris reflects her firm’s values and mission of giving back

05:04 – Joe Fried explains how consistency, purpose, and fear management shaped his dominance in trucking law

09:26 – Alexander Shunnarah reveals why staying on top is harder than getting there and how constant reinvention keeps his brand strong

11:42 – Harlan Schillinger discusses why retirement is a myth and how passion and purpose fuel lasting success

15:40 – Joe Fried opens up about his personal evolution toward honesty and vulnerability in and out of the courtroom

28:33 – The panel explores non-lawyer firm ownership, hedge fund influence, and the digital future of law firms

36:54 – Roopal Luhana and Alexander Shunnarah emphasize how client experience and service obsession create long-term loyalty

44:25 – Each panelist shares the worst advice they’ve ever received and what they learned from it

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What if the only thing standing between you and the next level is the courage to take one more risk?

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill and Jessica Mogill confront the real drivers behind success, risk, and sacrifice. As the 2025 Game Changers Summit approaches, they explore why some firm owners seem lucky while others stay stuck, and what it actually means to bet on yourself when the outcome is uncertain. This episode challenges every assumption about safety, comfort, and what it takes to build something truly exceptional.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

If you are ready to stop playing it safe, this episode will show you what happens when you finally bet on yourself.

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01:52 – How the Game Changers Summit began and grew from 100 to 500 attendees

02:55 – The evolution of the Summit into a members-only, sold-out experience

04:08 – Why keeping speakers secret creates a one-of-a-kind experience for Crisp Coach members

06:25 – Is success really about luck, or is it about courage and risk?

09:59 – The habits and reinvestment mindset that separate nine-figure firms from everyone else

12:45 – Why following the herd keeps your firm invisible in a crowded market

13:31 – How to differentiate and dominate without competing on the same message as everyone else

16:47 – What exceptional results really cost and why most people are not willing to pay the price

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Culture isn’t a happy hour or words on a wall. It’s the foundation that determines whether your firm thrives or fractures.

As part of the “Road to the Summit”, a special series ramping up to the 2025 Game Changers Summit this November 12-13, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of the Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we take you back to the 2021 EVOLVE Summit.

Jessica Mogill sits down with the Game Changing Culture Panel, featuring Reza Torkzadeh, John Martin, David Craig, and Mark O’Mara. Together, they share how intentional leadership, clear communication, and the use of tools like Kolbe and PRINT® have helped them build strong, high-performing cultures within their firms.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

Every firm has a culture. The only question is, are you creating it or letting it create itself?

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Show Notes:

04:30 – How Kolbe and PRINT assessments transformed hiring and communication

07:08 – Learning from cultural misalignment and rebuilding stronger teams

08:48 – Building intentional culture that attracts top talent

10:13 – Using data and assessments to eliminate unnecessary conflict

11:41 – Maintaining culture during rapid growth and remote expansion

14:49 – Creating engagement through shared purpose and community impact

24:52 – Non-negotiables for building a winning firm culture

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Kolbe Index

PRINT® Assessment

Reza Torkzadeh

David Craig

John Martin

Mark O’Mara

Crisp Coach Program

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You can grind your way to $1M, but you’ll never grind your way to $10M.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill break down what it really takes to 10X a law firm. From the early days of sheer hustle to the bold bets that build unforgettable brands, this conversation explores the mindset, courage, and leadership shifts required to make the leap from incremental growth to exponential impact.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

Exponential growth is not about working harder. It is about thinking bigger and leading differently.

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05:17 – The grind that gets you from $0 to $1M and why it will not get you to $10M

07:38 – The shift from doing everything yourself to building leverage through people

11:30 – Why best-known beats best and how bold marketing bets changed everything

15:25 – The courage behind putting the Game Changers Summit in Mercedes-Benz Stadium

20:15 – How the pandemic forced a leadership evolution and shifted focus to helping others win

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You don’t deserve to go to the next level until you beat the current one.

In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Eric Siu, entrepreneur, investor, and author of Leveling Up. From esports to business, Eric has turned the lessons of gaming into a powerful framework for growth, resilience, and long-term success. Together, they explore how to reframe pain into fuel, why mindset compounds like interest, and what it truly takes to keep leveling up in life and business.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

The ultimate game is not business or gaming. It is learning how to keep leveling up every single day.

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Show Notes:

02:39 – How gaming built resilience, teamwork, and skills Eric now applies to business

05:45 – Why gaming, Bitcoin, and other trends are dismissed as “toys” before going mainstream

07:10 – The power of community and how EverQuest shaped Eric’s mindset

08:59 – Defining “power ups” and how habits and mental models fuel growth

13:55 – Why patience and endurance are essential for compounding success

20:48 – Building a brand by teaching, sharing, and learning in public

22:49 – How focus beats shiny object syndrome and leads to faster success

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