Money issues at work rarely stay just about money, and the way you respond sets the standard for everything that follows.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three money-related questions that even experienced leaders can struggle with. They unpack how to support an employee who is struggling financially without becoming a long-term solution to a personal problem. Michael also shares how to think about investing in your team and operations when your instinct is to stay frugal, plus how to respond when a strong performer keeps pushing for raises.

Here's what you'll learn:

If money is creating tension in your firm, this episode gives you a clearer way to lead.

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02:15 - Michael and Jessica kick things off with a quick reminder that leadership is often about doing the work you do not feel like doing.

04:19 - The episode gets into a leadership dilemma that sounds compassionate on paper, but can turn into a long-term expectation.

09:09 - The conversation shifts to the psychology of spending, and how your upbringing can shape what you perceive as “responsible” investing.

11:40 - They draw a clear line between foundational investments that change quality of life and “nice-to-haves” that only look impressive.

14:19 - The episode closes with a framework for compensation conversations that replaces arguing about “market rate” with transparency, milestones, and economics.

18:09 - Michael explains why a clear “no” lands differently when it comes with real business economics, not just authority.

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If you want justice to change, you cannot treat equality like a slogan. You have to fight for it like it is personal.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ben Crump, renowned civil rights attorney and founder of Ben Crump Law, to unpack what it really means to pursue equality inside a system shaped by power, precedent, and bias. Ben explains why progress is often incremental, why the biggest injustice is not always what makes the news, and why lawyers have a responsibility to speak truth to power even when it is unpopular. This conversation is a reminder that influence is only valuable when you use it to protect people who do not have any.

Here's what you'll learn:

If you have a legal education, you have a responsibility to make the world a better place. This episode will remind you why.

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Show Notes:

02:53 — Ben explains the sacrifice behind the work, and why it feels like the news never stops giving him another family to serve.

03:55 — Ben talks about “incremental progress,” why change never happens overnight, and why cases like George Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery still matter as proof that accountability is possible.

05:39 — Michael asks where the real problem begins; Ben says it starts with whether people truly believe the Declaration of Independence, then explains how he tests that belief in jury selection.

11:53 — Ben shares how he stays optimistic, first through his own upbringing and family, then through a surprising source: what law school taught him about “precedent.”

16:42 — Ben tells the story of his mother and grandmother, the power of education, and how Brown v. Board and Thurgood Marshall shaped his mission when he was only nine years old.

21:20 — Michael brings up the backlash and threats; Ben explains why he accepts the risk, what “influence” is for, and why speaking truth to power is part of the job.

25:50 — Ben gives a practical answer to “But what can I do?” in the face of injustice

29:13 — Ben reflects on being a “rent lawyer,” and why the small cases and hard seasons are what sharpen the skills you will rely on later.

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A great culture means nothing if your business isn’t winning. And being busy doesn’t mean you’re effective.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three questions that expose tensions most firm owners feel but rarely address head-on. The first reveals how prioritizing happiness over performance can quietly cap your growth, the second explores the guilt that comes when success requires less hustle than you think it should, and the third shows what happens when partnership paralysis becomes more comfortable than forward movement. This conversation unpacks the difference between a strong culture and a stagnant one, why working fewer hours might mean you built something right, and why being right matters far less than being willing to move.

Here's what you'll learn:

If your firm feels stuck, scattered, or slower than it should be, this episode will help you identify what’s really holding you back.

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03:00 — Why the best decisions often come from saying yes to the experience, not the timing

06:22 — When a “great culture” starts quietly holding your business back

06:42 — The uncomfortable truth about why you can’t control your team’s happiness

08:09 — Why winning is the foundation of every truly strong culture

10:37 — What it really means when your business improves as you work less

12:11 — Why letting go of hours worked is necessary to actually scale

15:13 — Why being “right” matters less than simply moving forward

17:00 — The real cost of being stuck in indecision with a business partner

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What separates the firms that scale from the ones that stay stuck?

In this special mashup episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with the four Firm of the Year winners from the 2025 Game Changers Summit. Laura dePaz Cabrera of dePaz Cabrera Immigration Law, Koro Khamo of Khamo Law, John Richmond of Richmond Vona, and David Meyer of Meyer Wilson Werning each share what it really takes to build a firm that grows without burning you out in the process. From learning to let go of control to betting the farm on the right technology, this episode reveals the mindset shifts and strategic decisions that turned their practices into powerhouses.

Here's what you'll learn:

If you want to build a firm that scales, this episode will show you what some of the best in the business actually did to get there.

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Show Notes:

5:14 — Laura DePaz Cabrera on building a human-centered immigration practice

16:08 — Why the outcome must always be tempered by the human impact

19:01 — Laura describes the culture of relentless pursuit of excellence

27:35 — Koro Khamo on scaling from startup to Premier Firm of the Year

40:26 — How Koro uses 11-year forecasting and AI to drive growth

44:29 — Why staying in place means falling behind in today's market

49:42 — The overpaid employee trap: why solos need to think bigger

54:09 — John Richmond on scaling from two people to 50+ in six years

1:06:24 — How leadership evolves as you scale from six to eight figures

1:07:41 — Defending culture at all costs, even when it means losing high performers

1:14:49 — Richmond Vona's approach to AI integration and change management

1:16:22 — David Meyer on transforming from chaos to intentional growth

1:24:25 — The catalyst that shifted Meyer Wilson from technical mastery to business excellence

1:32:25 — How David learned to let go and trust his leadership team

1:36:50 — Training for an Ironman as proof of a self-managing firm

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The people you surround yourself with either push you forward or quietly hold you back.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three listener questions that all point to the same tension: leaders who've scaled past seven figures often struggle to recalibrate the people they listen to, the way they make decisions, and the balance between intuition and expertise. This conversation reveals what happens when your growth outpaces your circle and how to fix it before it stalls your momentum.

Here's what you'll learn:

If you want to scale without stalling, this episode will show you where the friction is coming from and how to fix it.

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01:52 — Michael explains why being in shape with kids is one of the biggest flexes as an adult

05:55 — Jessica reveals her new hobby that has taken over the kitchen

09:55 — How to manage people who are more experienced in their domain without just deferring to everything they say

12:40 — The game tape method: why reviewing the thought process behind decisions is the fastest way to improve leadership

14:02 — Why asking more people for advice often leads to more confusion instead of clarity

15:12 — What separates great leaders: the ability to decide and act despite uncertainty

17:54 — Why CFOs aren’t CEOs, and what that reveals about the role of financial expertise in growth decisions

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Most negotiators spend years perfecting their argument. Chris Voss spent his career learning how to make the other side feel heard.

In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Chris Voss, former FBI lead international kidnapping negotiator, CEO of The Black Swan Group, and bestselling author of Never Split the Difference. With decades of high-stakes experience negotiating with criminals, terrorists, and executives alike, Chris challenges what most attorneys think they know about winning and explains why the collaborative negotiator almost always beats the combative one.

Here's what you'll learn:

Getting better at negotiation doesn't start with your next big case. It starts with the next conversation you have.

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Show Notes:

2:32 — Since his first appearance on the podcast, Chris has been busy: a documentary, a book on empathy, and a bourbon brand built around dealmaking.

5:11 — Michael asks Chris to draw the line between how negotiation is portrayed on TV versus what effective negotiation actually looks like in practice, particularly for attorneys.

5:32 — Chris tells the story of a lawyer who trained under him as an FBI intern, became a practicing attorney, and out-earned every associate at his firm by refusing to be combative.

10:06 — Chris explains why a combative approach neurochemically triggers defensiveness in the other party, lengthening deals and eroding trust over time.

23:18 — Chris defines tactical empathy and cognitive empathy, explains why sociopaths are paradoxically the best at reading others, and describes how neuroscience backs the collaborative approach.

32:13 — Michael and Chris discuss negotiating in a digital world, why most people communicate too much at once, and why in-person interaction remains irreplaceable for building real relationships.

36:32 — Negotiation is a perishable skill. Chris shares how Tiger Woods approached practice and explains how he stays sharp by reading strangers in low-stakes everyday moments.

39:39 — Chris compares Patrick Mahomes and Kirk Cousins to illustrate the difference between ambition and perfectionism, and what that means for how people handle losing.

45:56 — Michael and Chris dig into what it actually takes to maintain a competitive edge over time

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Most firm owners are more uncertain than they let on. The ones performing at the highest level just have better frameworks to keep moving forward anyway.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill field three listener questions that circle the same uncomfortable admission: most firm owners are less certain than they look, and the people watching them aren't sure what to make of it. Michael gets into what it actually means to build a firm worth owning, how to read whether a firm is succeeding on skill or circumstance, and what it really takes to step out of someone else's shadow and lead on your own terms.

Here's what you'll learn:

These questions come up privately all the time. This episode is where they finally get answered.

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01:48 – Michael opens with a Disney story that turns into a lesson on persistence and refusing to accept arbitrary limits

10:50 – Michael defines what it actually means to be a successful business owner

11:56 – Michael explains why most entrepreneurs feel like they are making it up as they go

13:28 – The difference between a business that depends on you and one that actually runs without you

15:17 – How to tell the difference between a lucky firm owner and a truly skilled one

15:48 – Why great leaders rely on decision-making frameworks instead of gut instinct alone

23:12 – Michael explains why leadership is about driving results, not being liked

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The story you never tell is the one that could have changed everything.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kindra Hall, best-selling author, keynote speaker, and expert on strategic storytelling in business. Kindra has spent over a decade teaching leaders how to stop communicating in marketing copy and start connecting through the one thing the human brain is biologically wired to receive: a story. In this conversation, Michael and Kindra unpack why storytelling is the most underused tool in a leader's arsenal, what separates the stories that convert from the ones that fade, and how the narratives we tell ourselves are either fueling or quietly sabotaging our potential.

Here's what you'll learn:

Your story isn't just how you got here. It's the most strategic asset you have. Are you using it?

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The hardest part of building something real isn't the work. It's waiting for the work to matter.

In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill explore one of the least discussed truths about business growth: the lag between effort and result. From the quiet judgment you'll face for decisions others don't understand, to the compounding power of doing the same boring thing for years, this episode unpacks why most entrepreneurs quit right before the breakthrough. If you're questioning whether what you're doing is actually working, this conversation will reframe how you measure progress.

Here's what you'll learn:

If you're doing the right thing but not seeing results yet, this episode is your reminder to trust the process a little longer.

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01:49 — Michael and Jessica open the AMMA by reflecting on what has genuinely gotten easier with age and experience.

02:25 — Michael explains how small technological conveniences slowly reshape daily habits and expectations.

05:05 — Michael questions whether too much automation weakens problem-solving instincts.

07:02 — Why recovery changes as you get older and what that teaches about respecting physical limits.

08:20 — Michael reflects on how maturity changes the way you interpret challenges and handle stress.

10:11 — Michael explains why leaders cannot respond to every message, request, or opportunity.

11:00 — The leadership tradeoff between being accessible and protecting your focus.

12:23 — Michael breaks down how to decide which problems actually deserve your attention.

13:50 — Why watching someone succeed with less effort should inspire you, not frustrate you.

21:40 — The difference between rewarding effort and rewarding results (and why one builds firms that scale).

25:39 — Why the decisions you made in 2015 matter more to your life today than anything you did last year.

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The way you think about money has almost nothing to do with spreadsheets and everything to do with who you are.

In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Morgan Housel, New York Times bestselling author of The Psychology of Money and partner at the Collaborative Fund. With millions of copies sold and translations in over 50 languages, Morgan has spent his career studying not what the market will do next, but why we make the decisions we make with money. In this conversation, Michael and Morgan explore how personal experience shapes financial behavior, why the wealthiest people are often driven by something other than wealth, and what it actually means to use money as a tool for a better life.

Here's what you'll learn:

If you want to build wealth that lasts, you have to start by understanding the psychology driving every decision you make.

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Show Notes:

03:57 — Why managing money for retirement is so new that there hasn't been a generational knowledge transfer yet.

05:19 — The social work principle that all behavior makes sense with enough information, and how it applies to financial decisions.

12:38 — The hardest financial concept to master is "enough," and how moving goalposts prevents happiness.

14:05 — Social comparison as the root of all financial unhappiness, and why there's always someone with more.

22:40 — The biggest financial risk is always what no one is talking about because you're not prepared for it.

28:13 — How savings without a specific goal gives you options and flexibility when the world surprises you.

30:07 — The highest form of wealth is waking up every morning and saying, "I can do whatever I want today."

31:44 — The difference between being rich and being wealthy, and why wealth is what you don't see.

40:26 — What it takes to turn down $1 billion at age 20, and why ultra-wealthy founders are rarely driven by money.

43:52 — What being a game changer means, and why the most admirable people are living extraordinary lives that no one knows about.

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