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It was a torrid week for the English clubs in the Champions League. Liverpool Arsenal and Newcastle are in the balance, but Chelsea, City and Spurs look all but out.
Did they under perform or did some of the giants of europe like PSG and Madrid just find their form?
What do the results say about the Premier League, very physical but technically inferior?
For Spurs the defeat came with yet more questions for interim coach Igor Tudor - was he right to substitute his keeper after 17 minutes?
How will europe affect Spurs and Nottingham Forest's relegation fight?
Lastly, how good was Kyle Walker as the England stalwart announces his international retirement?
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FA Cup reaction and the future of Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd.
Port Vale provided a much needed FA Cup shock and Wrexham showed their enormous progress going very close against Chelsea.
Of the big six left in the cup - Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City, who is best placed to challenge Arsenal in the future?
Where are the strengths and weaknesses of each team? Bringing in Man Utd which of those managers - Slot, Carrick, Pep and Rosenior will still be in place next season?
A quick look back at a terrible night for Spurs as they lost at home to Crystal Palace, where now for Tottenham...could Igor Tudor even be gone before the international break? Who on earth would replace him?
Tom Clarke is joined by Gregor Robertson, Alyson rudd and James Gheerbrant
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Arsenal went seven points clear beating Brighton one nil but Brighton manager Fabien Hurzeler said 'only one team wanted to play football' and 'he would not want to win like that.' What was he talking about, is it fair comment and how many others feel the same way?
Has football across the board changed, are Arsenal just the best at the new physical style?
Man City stumbled again but forest's impressive point still leaves them level on points with a resurgent West Ham.
A round up of all the mid week games, the end of Michael Carrick's unbeaten run; great win for West Ham; who is going to stay up and Chelsea look very good...but just not every week?
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Are Leicester or West Brom really heading to League One? It doesn't look good for at least one of the midlands giants who are stuck in a battle for survival at the bottom of the Championship.
At the top it is four on the spin for Coventry and their Christmas wobble seems a long time ago. They look well set for promotion to the top flight. Ipswich are chasing Middlesborough in second...is the rest of the top six how it will finish? Or are Hull and Wrexham still ripe to be picked off by the likes of Watford or Southampton?
In League One Lincoln City are a point off the top but perhaps just as significantly they're ten point clear of third place Bolton. from fourth place down it is any one's guess with seven teams fighting for the three remaining play off places.
Title, play off's and relegation are all still up for grabs in League Two...who has the momentum?
Tom Clarke and Gregor Robertson round up all the latest from the EFL.
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It's as you were at the top of the table as City and Arsenal both win.
Are Arsenal too reliant on set pieces or do fans and team alike not care so long as they get over the line?
Across north London Spurs have a new boss, but instead of a bounce man do they have an 'arsonist?'
Who is in contention for player of the season?
What does Gtregor make of proposed rule changes...?
Did VAR rob Burnley and who is going to win the race for the Champions League?
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Giants Real Madrid and PSG just managed to qualify in the Champions League last 16 but who is the best we've seen in the competition so far? Bode Glimt may not win it, but what a team - a town of 54,000, a wage bill a fraction the size of most Premier League teams and a playing style which is hugely adaptable.
Domestically, Man Utd are on a charge, led by one of their unsung summer signings - Senne Lammens. What difference has the goalkeeper made?
Lastly, how would two former pros fair in todays game, which team would they be best suited to and how has their position changed?
Tom Clarke is joined by Gregor Robertson and Tony Cascarino
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If there were any questions ahead of the North London derby Arsenal answered them, emphatically.
Spurs by contrast looked like relegation candidates. could they really go down? The panel think with West Ham, Forest, Leeds and even Wolves looking like more cohesive teams Spurs are in searious trouble. Is Tudor the man to save them?
Where does Viktor Gyokeres rank alongside the other big summer strikers - Pedro, Ekitike and Sesko?
Liverpool got away with it at Forest but Mo salah looks a shadow of his former self, will he be at Anfield next season?
Why can't Chelsea beat the lower placed teams and hats off to Jiminez and Milner.
tom clarke joins Gregor Robertson, Pete Rutzler and Alyson Rudd
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"Arsenal are blowing it? Their best chance of a title in over twenty years and they are looking nervy, again."
Or...
"Winning a title isn't easy! this season isn't like those of recent years you won't need 98 pts."
Are either true?
If they are to hold it together, what does it take psychologically to get over the line in a title race?
Wolves manager Rob Edwards has the fans on side and is seeing encouraging signs from his side. It has all come a little late but will it help ahead of a season in the Championship?
After the break Newcastle and Anthony Gordon are having a streaky season - is the England shirt Gordon's to lose?
And finally the troubling racism allegations surrounding Vinicius Junior.
tom clarke is joined by Tony Cascarino, Gregor Robertson and Kit shepard
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Tom Clarke and Gregor Robertson with the latest from the English Football League.
Is the Championship the best league in England, Gregor Robertson thinks so.
Coventry's win over rivals Middlesbrough sends them top again but six points separate 6th to 16th. Who is best placed to come from the pack? At the bottom some huge clubs look in severe danger of relegation in West Brom and Leicester.
Lincoln fan Tom Clarke makes his pitch for the excitement of League One. It's tight at the bottom and around the play offs, but at the top are Cardiff and Lincoln away and clear?
In League Two wins for teams at the bottom who were written off and... a mystery called Walsall, any fans listening please get in touch.
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Spurs and Forest have rolled the dice again...but will Igor Tudor or Vítor Pereira have the desired effect?
Is either appointment on merit, or a reflect of clubs who don't know who they really want? Will the instability mean a player exodus at either club come the summer?
Which club should be more worried, Forest or Spurs?
Was VAR so bad after all...well yes says Gregor robertson but many think the mistakes at the weekend - without VAR - are the bets advert for its continued use.
Arsenal are still in four competitions...what, if anything, will they win?
Gary Jacob, Gregor Robertson and Alyson Rudd join Tom Clarke
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The thinking fan's football podcast.
From previews to reviews, winners to losers, who's in and out on the transfer roundabout, tactics, stats and the dreaded VAR - join the best…
Hosted by Tom Clarke and Gregor Robertson, The Game brings you the latest on the Premier League and the EFL, as well as a front-row seat to international tournaments.
We know football isn't life and death. It's much more serious than that.
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