In this illuminating episode of the I Don't Believe in Astrology podcast, host Debra Silverman engages in a profound conversation with Dr. Scott Lyons, a double Cancer with a background spanning clinical psychology, dance therapy, osteopathy, and somatics.

The discussion delves into the phenomenon of "drama addiction" and how we unconsciously use stress as a distraction mechanism to avoid underlying emotional pain. Through personal stories of his own recovery journey, Dr. Scott Lyons offers powerful insights into why many of us struggle to sustain peace in our lives.

Debra and Dr. Scott Lyons explore how our modern society functions as a "stress economy" that competes for our attention through constant stimulation, further exacerbating our nervous system dysregulation. Dr. Scott Lyons also explains how stress provides immediate pain relief by blocking receptors and distracting us from deeper emotional wounds, creating a cycle of addiction.

This fascinating conversation weaves together Astrology, neuroscience, and somatic understanding to explain why finding authentic calm feels so challenging— and what we can do to break free from the cycle of unnecessary turmoil.

Find more information about Dr. Scott Lyons and his work with the Embody Lab: https://theembodylab.com

Order your copy of Debra's new book, I Don't Believe In Astrology, here and get access to Debra's companion tarot booklet while you still can: I Don't Believe In Astrology

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• How to break free from drama addiction and find authentic peace

• How stress addiction serves as a mechanism for distraction from deeper emotional pain and Dr. Lyons' personal journey of recovery from drama addiction, including the crucial role of facing boredom

• The concept of the "stress economy" and how our society is built on capturing attention through activating the amygdala

• Understanding the difference between tolerance for stress versus genuine capacity for processing emotions

• How to reconnect with nature and physical presence as medicine for an overwhelmed nervous system

[00:01:30] Opening conversation between Debra Silverman and Dr. Scott Lyons

[00:03:29] Introduction to the podcast and discussion about technology changes over time

[00:05:28] Dr. Scott Lyons introduces himself and shares his favorite ice cream flavor (mint chip)

[00:06:46] Discussion of Dr. Lyons' background in psychology, dance therapy, and osteopathy

[00:07:27] Debra notes Scott's double Cancer Astrological makeup and its connection to embodiment

[00:08:48] Dr. Lyons explains how stress blocks pain receptors and distracts from emotional pain

[00:12:08] Discussion of the hierarchy in our body of what gets attended to first (emotional vs. physical)

[00:15:11] Explanation of "revving" - how we source internal and external stimuli to avoid settling

[00:17:59] Dr. Lyons describes how we interrupt our own peace and avoid proximity to ourselves

[00:21:42] Discussion of the addiction to stress because we don't know how to sustain peace

[00:24:52] Dr. Lyons shares his personal journey of recovery, including accepting boredom

[00:26:33] Description of sitting through the discomfort to access deeper emotions

[00:29:56] Dr. Lyons explains his cardiac collapse from stress overload ("overdosing" on stress)

[00:31:29] Discussion of how addiction to drama makes dysfunction feel "normal"

[00:34:02] Dr. Lyons describes recognizing his craving for stress and creating space between craving and action

[00:39:02] Explanation of how drama is "the freest, most accessible drug there is"

[00:42:42] Discussion of internal dialogue and its role in stress addiction

[00:45:28] Dr. Lyons shares how he began accepting boredom despite it being "fucking awful"

[00:48:23] Explanation of mindfulness as preparation for "surfing the waves of life" not escaping them

[00:57:21] Discussion of how meditation and yoga can sometimes be "a beautiful place to hide"

[01:07:59] Closing thoughts on taking social media pauses and attuning to your capacity

[01:11:37] Debra's final thoughts on connecting with nature as the ultimate medicine for the nervous system

In this illuminating episode of "I Don't Believe in Astrology," host Debra Silverman engages in a profound conversation with renowned Astrologer Rick Levine. 

The discussion delves into the relationship between science, religion, and Astrology, with Rick offering a fascinating quantum physics perspective on fate versus free will.

Rick also elaborates on how disillusionment can be positive—the necessary meeting of dreams with three-dimensional reality— and explores the challenges of rapid technological advancement, climate change, and societal upheaval as symptoms of evolutionary growing pains. Throughout the conversation, Rick maintains his position as a "possibleist" rather than an optimist or pessimist.

The episode concludes with Rick's powerful mantra: "Think cosmically, act locally." He emphasizes the importance of maintaining connection to our physical bodies while expanding our consciousness, choosing battles wisely, and finding the balance between flexibility and firmness. Rick and Debra reflect on the historical exclusion of women from Astrological practice and celebrate the current renaissance of interest in Astrology as a tool for understanding ourselves and navigating these transformative times. 

This conversation also provides listeners with practical wisdom for approaching the significant planetary transitions of 2025 with awareness, compassion, and engaged action. Don’t miss this meeting of two Astrological powerhouses! Find more information about Rick Levine here: https://bit.ly/ricklevine 

Order your copy of Debra’s new book, I Don’t Believe In Astrology, here and get future access to Debra’s companion tarot booklet when it is released: I Don't Believe In Astrology

Connect with Debra on social media and get access to her latest offerings, workshops, and more: solo.to/dsAstrology  

• How to navigate Astrological changes and discover its impact in our future and throughout our history 

• The Saturn-Neptune conjunction and what it representsRick's quantum physics explanation reveals how both destiny and choice coexist but can't be fully perceived simultaneously

• Navigating the transition from the Piscean Age to the Aquarian Age 

• How to "think cosmically, act locally"— expanding our consciousness while taking practical action 

[00:01:07] Opening conversation between Debra Silverman and Rick Levine about his Aries-heavy chart

[00:01:50] Introduction to the "I Don't Believe in Astrology" podcast with host Debra Silverman

[00:02:04] Rick shares when he first started studying Astrology (1967-68) and charging for charts (1976)

[00:02:29] Rick explains why he says "I don't believe in Astrology" - he doesn't believe in the Astrology that others don't believe in

[00:02:49] Discussion of how Astrology has "bad PR" in modern society

[00:02:57] Rick explains why both organized religion and science agree on rejecting Astrology

[00:03:43] Discussion about religion's historical relationship with Astrology - they don't say it doesn't work, just "don't do it"

[00:04:33] Rick points out that Jesus invited three Magi (Astrologers) to his birth

[00:05:00] Historical context of the Catholic Church and Astrology, including Thomas Aquinas's practice

[00:05:30] Story about Rob Hand getting his PhD in ancient history from Catholic University

[00:05:47] Rob Hand's doctoral thesis on the Church's use of Astrology in medieval warfare

[00:06:35] Why modern science rejects Astrology - science requires repeatability while Astrology sees every moment as unique

[00:07:14] Discussion of KAiros vs. Chronos (qualitative vs. quantitative time)

[00:08:51] Albert Einstein's quote: "Time is an illusion, albeit a very persistent one"

[00:09:12] Rick explains how time is created by movement around a center

[00:10:47] Discussion of Saturn and Neptune and their relationship in Astrology

[00:12:11] Rick describes Jupiter as cosmic magnification and expansion

[00:13:44] The relationship between Neptune and Jupiter explained - "Neptune is Jupiter in drag"

[00:15:16] Rob Hand's quote about Saturn being illusion and Neptune being reality

[00:15:35] Discussion of the upcoming Saturn-Neptune conjunction in June 2025

[00:16:12] Rick explains the rarity of Saturn-Neptune conjunction at 0 degrees Aries

[00:17:54] The metaphysical meaning of Saturn crystallizing Neptune's reality

[00:18:46] Explanation of disillusionment as a positive process of reality meeting dreams

[00:21:24] Discussion of quantum physics showing "what you see is not what you get"

[00:22:52] All outer planets moving into Fire and Air signs in 2025 (Pluto into Aquarius, Neptune into Aries, Saturn into Aries, Uranus into Gemini)

[00:23:28] Rick discusses societal fear about rapid technological and climate change

[00:26:24] Rick identifies himself as a "possibleist" rather than optimist or pessimist

[00:26:46] Discussion of psychological regression under fear and societal parallels

[00:29:07] The importance of embracing all planetary energies for healthy evolution

[00:31:01] Exploration of how technology has changed our understanding of "here" and "now"

[00:32:41] Debra shows Rick's chart and discusses his 11th house planets and Neptune opposition

[00:37:59] Rick's explanation of why Astrology works: "It's magic"

[00:41:47] Discussion of fate versus free will through quantum physics concepts

[00:43:24] "Fate is to particle as free will is to wave" - Rick's quantum explanation

[00:50:34] Reflection on humanity's place in the cosmos - "the universe doesn't give a fuck"

[00:53:58] Discussion of transhumanism and the inevitable integration with AI

[00:58:00] The aquarian age versus piscean age - from separate duality to instantaneous resolution

[01:01:06] Return from break, Debra comments on "stopping an Aries"

[01:01:22] Continuation of discussion about the Aquarian Age transition and how it enables global connections

[01:01:59] Women's historical exclusion from Astrology, knowledge, and positions of power

[01:02:32] Rick explains Uranus entering Gemini as a move toward intellectual and technological expansion

[01:02:57] Warning about the danger of disconnecting from our bodies as planets move into Fire and Air

[01:03:41] Discussion of current political climate and attempts to restrict women's rights

[01:04:05] Rick quotes Jackson Browne's song "Before the Deluge" about environmental struggle

[01:04:31] Description of current societal conflict as "the last hurrah" of old systems of power

[01:05:14] Debra shares her more pessimistic view of the human condition based on her psychology background

[01:06:31] Rick's philosophy: "Think cosmically, act locally"

[01:06:46] Reference to Carl Jung's book "The Undiscovered Self" and his view that world peace begins with individual psyches

[01:07:43] Connection to Mahayana Buddhism - no one achieves enlightenment until everyone does

[01:08:40] Debra notices Rick's progressed chart shows a major personal transition (Sun at 29° Gemini, Moon at 1° Taurus)

[01:09:13] Discussion about slowing down and honoring the body amid planetary transitions

[01:10:19] Rick's final message: "Think cosmically, act locally. Be flexible and be firm"

[01:10:42] The importance of choosing battles wisely and staying engaged without burning out

[01:11:23] Debra's closing thoughts on Astrology's endurance through time and its current renaissance

[01:12:13] Final thank yous and goodbye

How to quiet your internal noise with the power of silence. Step into the mystical world of intuition and crystal energy as Debra welcomes special guest Tatiana Dorow to the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast. 

With her fiery Leo Sun and double Sagittarius placements, Tatiana shares her remarkable journey of following her intuition to purchase the right home, sight unseen, and assemble a collection of over one thousand crystals—most acquired through pure intuitive guidance rather than physical inspection. 

Delve into Tatiana's unique relationship with silence as she reveals how sensory deprivation has enhanced her intuitive abilities and decision-making. With her intense triple Fire energy, Debra interprets Tatiana’s Astrological chart and shares how she embodies The High Priestess archetype, offering profound wisdom through her embrace of silence as a doorway to deeper understanding.

This episode culminates in an exploration of getting comfortable with our internal noise and embracing the power of silence— leaving listeners with practical wisdom to incorporate into their own spiritual journeys.

Find out more about Tatiana’s collection and buy your own tabletop book here: https://bit.ly/tatianadorow 

Preorder your copy of Debra’s new book, I Don’t Believe In Astrology, here to get future access to Debra’s companion tarot booklet when it is released: I Don't Believe In Astrology

Connect with Debra on social media and get access to her latest offerings, workshops, and more: solo.to/dsastrology  

• How to quiet your internal noise and build a powerful relationship with silence and intuition

• How sensory deprivation can enhance your intuition

• Debra’s interpretation of triple Fire energy and The High Priestess tarot card and its connection Tatiana’s life

• A whole new perspective on the healing resonance of crystals, well beyond the transactional relationships we have with them

• Tatiana’s reframe on meditation and a new way to look at your own meditation practice and goals

[0:48] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast with special guest, Tatiana Dorow

[1:11] Showing Tatiana’s Astrological chart (Leo Sun, Sagittarius Moon, Sagittarius Rising) and Debra sharing what stands out the most about Tatiana’s chart (Moon conjunct Neptune)

[2:32] Tatiana shares about living with her three children in California, then the COVID pandemic happening in 2020 gave a realization and opportunity to choose where she and her family would be

[4:04] Tatiana begins searching for home, and finds one in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, yet her intuition had something to say about this move

[5:46] Tatiana gets another intuition about a home in Hawaii, purchasing it sight unseen

[6:15] The beginning of Tatiana’s crystal collection and the connection to her childhood

[7:52] How Tatiana’s crystal temple came to be, with her over one thousand crystal collection, with her first six crystals being the only ones she held before purchasing the others using her intuition

[10:43] Building the museum-like sacred space for the crystals

[11:28] How Tatiana uses her intuition and discernment for bringing people into her space, and how silence and sensory deprivation have helped her enhance that intuition

[13:08] Debra reflects on Tatiana’s ability to sit in silence without triggering anxiety

[13:39] Tatiana shares her take on meditation and the reframe that resonates most with her

[14:03] Debra shares her interpretation of the first few tarot cards, which she has been studying and compiling a guide booklet on, connecting to Tatiana’s journey

[14:52] Turning off Tatiana’s internal dialogue, and her take on silence

[16:21] The difference between floating for a few hours in a deprivation tank versus floating overnight

[16:45] Debra asks Tatiana to further explain the extreme nature of her Fire energy; Tatiana shares “the side effects” of being blunt and intense

[18:05] Tatiana shares about the last time she cried

[18:54] What Tatiana wishes people would do

[19:15] Debra explains the High Priestess archetype, connected to Tatiana’s message and wisdom, despite her triple Fire energy

[19:49] Debra shares her awe of the quality of Tatiana’s meditation in the crystal temple, and the effects the temple has from Tatiana’s perspective

[22:45] How Debra came to find Tatiana’s crystal temple and how the crystals have affected her

[24:41] The massive gift Tatiana witnesses when people come to her crystal palace

[26:08] Anyone alive or not alive that Tatiana would love to have a conversation with; Tatiana answers in a different way

[27:00] The entrance of silence and invitation to evolve

[28:49] The power of exposure to silence and getting comfortable with our internal noise

[29:44] The essence of Tatiana’s Fire and Earth energy

[30:14] Tatiana’s resonance with clarity

[30:35] Closing out today’s podcast conversation with how to see Tatiana’s collection from the comfort of your home, and final thoughts

[31:38] Tatiana shares her gratitude for Debra’s way of speaking Astrology

(TW: mentions of suicide) How to fulfill your karmic contract and fully embrace the miracle that is you. Debra is joined by George Lizos, a spiritual teacher, psychic healer, bestselling author, and energy protection expert. Debra and George have an inspiring and real conversation, meant to reignite your focus on fulfilling your mission and promise in this lifetime. 

This light yet deep and overall uplifting conversation begins with George discussing what activated his role as a teacher, including a deeply personal moment of transformation. 

Debra shares insights from George’s Astrological chart, focusing on aspects like George’s strong 10th House, the Earth energy in his chart, and how he was born under a lucky star. As they delve deeper, George reflects on his journey toward self-expression and overcoming the challenges and perceptions of pursuing other passions later in life, activated by his Leo energy. 

Debra and George touch on the importance of identifying latent parts of ourselves that we may have left behind, encouraging listeners to explore their hidden potential through whispers of their souls and nudges from the universe, as well as looking into their past lives and studying different modalities like Astrology and the enneagram.

The conversation is filled with wisdom and takeaways on how to begin understanding and come into alignment with your karmic contract and your true self.

Preorder your copy of Debra’s new book, I Don’t Believe In Astrology, here: I Don't Believe In Astrology

Connect with Debra on social media and get access to her latest offerings, workshops, and more: solo.to/dsastrology  

• How to fulfill your karmic contract and its connection to the formula for success

• How our past lives play into our current lifetime

• Highlighting the manifestation of Earth Energy and how to tell from your Astrological chart if you were born under a lucky star

• Wisdom from George with a simple action everyone can do to connect with your soul and awaken your inner divinity

• Inspiration from George and Debra to reconnect with what you’ve left behind, no matter what your age is

[0:55] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast with special guest, George Lizos

[03:13] What activated George’s presence as a teacher (trigger warning: mentions of suicide)

[06:48] Showing George’s Astrology chart as Debra shares her interpretation

[08:41] The quality of 10th House people and its connection to George’s five degrees

[09:37] When and how did the Cancer energy show up in George’s life?

[11:03] Debra interprets the influence of a lot of Earth energy (Grand Trine in Earth) in George’s chart

[12:04] If George could change one thing about his personality, what would he change?

[12:28] Debra and George discuss the enneagram including sharing their numbers as well as a shared appreciation for other modalities

[13:35] George shares about his interest in becoming an actor

[15:03] A new way to think about following your passion and purpose

[16:10] Debra shares about being a professional dancer for the first half of her life and how she keeps connecting with dance even after she “left it behind”

[16:59] George reframes the disadvantage of being the oldest person in his drama class

[17:35] Something is latent within you… what is it? Use this podcast interview to inspire you to find the parts of you that you have left behind

[18:55] George shares about the cause and effect laws of the universe and its connection to karmic contracts

[19:47] Debra shares the simple formula for success, as well as a powerful component of George’s Astrological chart

[21:03] The value of exploring our past lives

[21:39] Debra shares about a dream she had that connected to her past life and how writing is tied to her karmic contract

[23:21] Interpreting George’s chart as it connects to his skillset and what it means to be an old soul

[23:58] George shares his thoughts about how people prevent themselves from writing and connects it to his personal story of what it took for him to write his first book

[26:02] Another contagious invitation from this podcast to help ignite your passion- it’s never too late

[26:52] Where you can find George to connect with him

[27:09] The inspiration of Fire personalities and what happens when you follow through with your karmic contracts

[27:56] “Evolution follows you around” and what it means to be aligned and balanced

[28:50] Finding your missing Element

[29:10] How it feels to have your angels supporting you and having faith in them and the universe

[30:05] What to do if you’re in a rough patch, and what to do if you’re in a good place

[30:27] George shares what happened during his Saturn return

[30:59] Debra shares her deep reverence for ancient teachings and the connection to George’s work and lineage

[31:33] How George puts his own karmic contract into words

[32:07] The freedom of coming out and being seen for your full self without shame

[33:01] Debra shares about her love for George and all the ways she couldn’t stop thinking about how he embodies his chart

[33:33] George shares his excitement for diving more into Astrology through Debra’s system, and Debra shares about the simplicity of her system

[34:38] How has this podcast inspired you to review your past life and your karmic contract?

[35:40] Closing wisdom from George with a simple action everyone can do

[37:02] Imagining an Element-ary future where we start this life understanding our soul and karmic contract

[37:24] Why the Element of Water is so important and a daily practice to integrate into your life

[38:02] Debra’s new book coming out in many different languages

[38:18] Recapping this conversation and a homework assignment for everyone

How to wake up inside the dream and find that what’s beyond this life is our true reality; what we think is reality is a genuine “altered state.”

In this episode of the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast, Debra introduces Andrew Holecek, an author and spiritual teacher. As a long-time student of Buddhism, he frequently presents this tradition from a contemporary perspective – blending the ancient wisdom of the East with modern knowledge from the West. 

Drawing on years of intensive study and practice, Andrew teaches on the opportunities that exist in obstacles, helping people with hardship and pain, death and dying, and problems in meditation.

Andrew and Debra dive right into a deeply philosophical yet accessible conversation as they discuss low-form darkness as the extraordinary force of karma, the mind's various dimensions, and pathways to enlightenment and spiritual introspection. 

Debra shares her deep appreciation and respect for how Andrew’s work has changed her life and Andrew echoes the same, drawing on his colossal takeaways from his Astrological reading and how it has changed his perspective and belief in Astrology, and his powerful 4E session where Debra felt witnessed him “break the code” of the Water Element. 

Tune in for an incredible conversation that will inspire you to think beyond perceived reality, find more joy, and accept sadness as a pathway to compassion. 

Get your copy of Andrew Holecek’s book, Preparing to Die: https://amzn.to/3YYMlNa 

Watch Debra’s interview on Edge of Mind with Andrew Holecek here: https://bit.ly/edgeofmindwithdebra 

To learn more about Debra’s 4E process and witness it firsthand, register for her free Elemental Challenge: http://elementalchallenge.com/ 

Connect with Debra on social media and get access to her latest offerings, workshops, and more: solo.to/dsastrology  

• How to wake up inside the dream and discover there is so much more to our perceived reality

• How Andrew’s gift is to help us all rewrite the story of death

• Defining the different dimensions and constructs of the ego and the mind that can sometimes work against us

• The principles and lessons of love and death and their intersection between Andrew’s work and Debra’s work with Astrology and the Elements

• Andrew gives formal structure to how to hear, contemplate, and meditate

[2:31] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast with special guest, Andrew Holecek

[03:08] The synchronicity of how Debra met Andrew Holecek and how Andrew’s work has impacted Debra’s life

[5:12] Andrew introduces himself

[6:52] Bringing up Andrew’s Astrological chart and Debra sharing her interpretation and its connection to Andrew

[8:57] How Andrew’s life’s work is to help us rewrite the story of death

[10:04] Defining the different dimensions of the mind

[11:08] “Ego cannot attend its own funeral.”

[11:56] Debra shares a secret of what has happened to her recently and the details around it

[13:30] Musings on our dream time and the manifestation of mind

[17:00] Is it true that time goes on forever in every direction? Andrew shares his thoughts and connects it to our experiences in the dream world and “altered states”

[18:44] If the human condition has a limited operating system and yet there is another angle waiting for us, what does this closed system serve?

[23:05] Debra shares about Andrew’s 4E session and how Andrew cracked the code of the Water Element

[25:30] Getting into the deep end of the pool of spiritual practice

[26:51] One of the deepest wounds of Saturn in Scorpio

[27:15] Understanding what “love” is

[28:21] Love and death in Andrew’s work and Astrology, plus Debra’s personal experience

[29:25] A Tibetan language lesson on meditation, openness, and love

[31:11] A statistic on how our unconscious mind affects our lives and its connection to how Debra’s work has shifted Andrew’s perspective completely

[32:54] The Mercury and Mars connection in Andrew’s chart, his work with lucid dreaming, and his gift to all of us in Debra’s words of gratitude

[36:02] Remembrance versus learning and explaining “trickle down spirituality”

[38:15] When did the conversation of reincarnation enter the dialogue of the Buddhist?

[39:15] Debra’s invitation to everyone in reaching true awakening, what led to the Buddha’s awakening and its connection to death

[42:14] Practicing meditation, contemplation, and studying- the innocence of curiosity

[43:27] Andrew gives formal structure to how to hear, contemplate, and meditate

[45:35] Debra ties Andrew’s philosophical perspective and internalization back to his Astrological chart

[46:18] The telepathic and other-wordly downloading in “altered states”

[46:46] Bringing ourselves back to Earth when we are up and out

[48:01] Andrew shares about his deep interest and practice in the dark and darkness retreat

[49:08] Reflections on AI not having our best interest and Andrew’s work in that field

[50:16] What provides Andrew with his joy factor and the connection to humor and Water

[51:21] Beyond the “sh!tshow” of how things appear

[52:54] What keeps the lower phase dark side so seductive? What happens when you’re no longer seduced by the “display”

[54:34] What Debra noticed about enlightenment and this existence and Andrew’s thoughts on differentiating depression versus sadness

[56:09] How engaging with sadness creates ripples of compassion and the essence of spiritual bypassing

[58:00] How Astrology helps you fall in love with you and a recap of the major components of Andrew’s Astrological chart

[58:55] Debra’s encouragement for everyone to read Andrew’s book, Preparing to Die

[59:28] Debra shares her gratitude for Andrew with reflections of her own human condition, and the opportunity we all have to be the one we seek

[1:00:29] The Sun sign of the United States is Cancer; reflections on transitions in an election season

[1:00:59] Andrew shares his deep gratitude for Debra’s work and where to find his work

How to receive your inner riches and flow fully into a cascade of abundance. This is an exciting continuation of Debra’s first interview with conscious businessman, personal freedom coach, firestarter, and author Preston Smiles. 

Follow along in a conversation amongst deeply connected friends, where Preston shares some of his secrets to success as a preview to what you’ll find in his new book, Spiritual Millionaire. 

Preston dives into the major lessons he has learned through the laws of the universe, as well as his reverence for nature and how he sees God as a “yes button.” 

Debra interprets Preston’s Astrological chart, full of the polarizing energy of Fire and Water, as Preston shares some of his personal experiences, including moments of death and vulnerability.

This podcast episode will help you reignite your own Fire, your passion for life, and inspire you to celebrate every victory in life, even the seemingly smallest moments. 

It’s all connected to your personal formula for abundance, so tune in to get a preview of what inner (and outer) riches may await you. 

Preorder Preston’s latest book, Spiritual Millionaire, here: https://bit.ly/prestonpreorder 

Watch part 1 of How To Receive Your Inner Riches here: https://bit.ly/innerriches1 

Connect with Debra on social media and get access to her latest offerings, workshops, and more: solo.to/dsastrology  

• How to receive your inner riches and begin to access your personal formula for abundance

• The importance of savoring each moment in life, from the biggest to the smallest, and its connection to abundance

• Viewing God as a “yes button” and lessons in universal law

• The polarity of Water and Fire energies and how they show up as vulnerability and passion in Preston

• What Preston learned about life after witnessing someone pass away

[1:22] Introducing of he I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast with special guest, Preston Smiles, who introduces himself

[1:21] Showing Preston’s Astrological chart with a mention of the abundance of Fire in his chart

[2:46] A quick mention of Preston’s latest book, Spiritual Millionaire

[2:59] Did Preston believe in Astrology before he met Debra? 

[3:32] Speaking to Preston being a firestarter, from being in a gang to now, and how it began from his feelings of being less than

[5:55] Debra interprets how Cancer Rising shows up as a superpower for Preston, and how his Aries Moon has helped him to be a fighter

[6:36] Preston shares about having dyslexia and how it impacted him in childhood; Debra makes the connection to his Mercury placement 

[7:25] Preston gives examples of his intuitive hits and moments in life further connect to his Mercury placement, including his powerful story of helping a car accident victim as she passed away

[11:04] From humble beginnings to abundance, Preston shares what he believes his attributed to his wealth and success

[12:01] Debra interprets a powerful dynamic around the placement of Preston’s Moon in his Astrological chart

[12:59] What in this life could Preston not live without, and the connections to his life’s work and the principles he follows 

[17:06] Preston shares something that he teaches in his new book

[19:39] As we all play the game of life, here is what is really happening that so few understand

[20:06] The nature of Preston’s spirituality and his thoughts on God being a “yes button”

[22:03] The law of the ant and the elephant

[22:46] The importance of savoring life

[23:49] Debra recaps the major components of Preston’s Astrological chart

[24:39] There’s no arguing with the spirit of Fire; what we can all learn from this podcast

[25:15] The last time Preston cried

[28:46] Cancer Rising and Aries Moon, the Water and Fire polarity

[29:07] Honoring Preston’s vulnerability

[29:37] Someone dead or alive that Preston would love to have a conversation with; Preston picks two!

[30:43] Debra shares something about near death experiences and connecting to our lineage

[31:32] Closing remarks, including the nature of Astrology

TW: Mentions of suicide

How to become the frequency of peace and become a harmonized human. Garrain Jones joins Debra to share a practical path of getting there, with four must-hear tips and unexpected advice on how to raise your vibration and become your highest divine frequency.

Growing through an upbringing that stifled his spirit and led him to venture down a path ending in a prison sentence, Garrain Jones found his formula for freedom when he was locked behind bars. 

Garrain now moves through life as a powerful force of love and freedom, inspiring bigness within himself and the world, helping others to raise their frequency and find their own freedom. 

In this interview, Garrain and Debra share about the synchronicities of their meeting, including Garrain’s enthusiasm towards Debra’s method of Astrology. Garrain also gives us four key principles to living in higher frequency. As a special bonus, Garrain tells Debra and our listeners about the powerful download he received about the future of humans on a transformational trip to Egypt.

Tune in to access your inner child, your freedom, and raise your vibration! 

Connect with Debra on social media and get access to her latest offerings, workshops, and more: solo.to/dsastrology  

• How to become the frequency of peace and become a harmonized human

• Garrain’s four key principles to living in a higher frequency

• An intuitive download about the future of humans Garrain received during a trip to Egypt

• Major takeaways for the energy of Aquarius Rising and embodiment of Cancer

• Personal stories of how Garrain overcame his circumstances to be who he is today

[1:00] Introducing our first stand up podcast of the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast with special guest, Garrain Jones

[1:40] Garrain Jones introduces himself and his mission

[2:18] Debra speaks to components of Garrain’s Astrological chart

[2:59] Garrain describes his childhood 

[3:54] Debra articulates the qualities of Aquarius Rising

[4:27] Something Garrain always felt about “being bad” and his empathic nature

[5:11] How Garrain broke the mold of his upbringing; he shares his resistance to the norm

[6:24] Showing Garrain’s full Astrological chart as Debra interprets his placements

[7:38] The entrance to Garrain and Debra’s friendship, filled with synchronistic events

[11:35] A gift of Aquarius Rising; Garrain shares his story around it

[14:00] Garrain tells about what led him to being sentenced to 12 years in prison, choosing greed over patience

[16:15] Musings about destiny and free will

[17:11] Garrain’s experience feeling freer in prison than he did in his childhood

[18:54] “In losing my freedom, I discovered my freedom.”

[21:54] Garrain’s mother was afraid to tell people what happened to him

[22:32] The “gagagoogoo” of manifestation; what if there are no coincidences?

[24:39] What Garrain has been studying since 2005 as a result of his huge cues from spirit/God/intuition

[25:17] The formula for living in the right vibration and frequency

[26:30] “I think we forget we’re a temple.”

[27:14] Practical ways to raise your vibration

[29:20] The importance of cultivating a daily practice of meaningful disciplines

[30:07] Acknowledging and accessing the divinity within you

[30:55] Debra recaps Garrain’s four pinnacle life practices and their connection to the four Elements

[31:32] Challenging the notion that discipline is a bad word

[32:25] The contagiousness of Garrain (and his Mercury conjunct Jupiter)

[32:56] Garrain shares his story about visiting Egypt and getting the download of the future of humans

[35:58] Garrain’s “version of church without the judgment or shame” to activate the harmonized human 

[36:44] One unexpected thing Garrain recommends everyone to do 

[38:28] What Debra says is much more interesting than Astrology

[38:50] The last time Garrain cried

[40:22] Who Garrain would have a conversation with, throughout time and history, if given the chance

[41:53] “If we have the courage to look in the mirror and see God…”

[42:54] Debra’s observance of Garrain and his energetic body

[43:31] Being a Cancer that’s removed from the shell and mastering the human condition

[44:58] Closing out this outside-of-the-box interview with gratitude

How to love your life by understanding death and lean more into your experience this lifetime. Part two of this delectable conversation with Dr. Mary Helen is here, delivering so many empowering and perspective-shifting insights into the nature of our time here on Earth and connections to the other side. It’s time to fully see the design of your life.

This life is not a volunteer position and if you’re struggling to find your joie de vivre, or you find yourself playing the blame game for your circumstances, this conversation can help you reframe your perspective and release that which is no longer serving you. 

Debra and Dr. Mary Helen explore human nature’s resistance to doing the right thing and the nature of our evolution as a collective species and as individuals. Our karmic paths and lessons show up as patterns and are written in our Astrological charts, and throughout our individual evolution we are guided by a higher intelligence, which Dr. Mary has quite the connection to. 

Dr. Mary shares about her continued work with “The Council” in the spirit world and how it’s possible to connect with the other side, even if you haven’t had your own near-death experience. 

This conversation will remind you of the importance of living in your own authentic frequency, changing the conversation around sacrifice, and to not fear the other side because death is just a doorway or a change of address.        

Get your copy of Dr. Mary Helen Hensley’s Promised by Heaven here: https://amzn.to/3UUCxD8 

Connect with Debra on social media and get access to her latest offerings, workshops, and more: solo.to/dsastrology  

• How to love your life by understanding death and lean more into your experience this lifetime by living in line with your unique design

• The similarities and differences between our world and the spirit world

• Exploring evolution and other worlds, as told by a higher intelligence

• How to connect with the other side without having a near-death experience

• Human nature’s resistance to doing the right thing

[0:55] Introducing part two of the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Dr. Mary Helen Hensley

[2:04] How Dr. Mary describes her profession in her own words

[2:55] Showing Dr. Mary’s Astrological chart as Debra shares her interpretation of Dr. Mary’s Gemini Rising and Mercury placement

[4:32] A timely analogy for addressing the topic of death with children, and how to understand experiencing communication beyond the human plane

[6:13] How Dr. Mary experiences the spirit world 

[7:37] One of the notable gifts of Pisces

[8:11] Speaking to the accessibility and evolution of the spirit world

[9:30] Everyone asks this of an Astrologer… 

[10:08] What are the similarities and differences between our world and the spirit world?

[12:23] Are there other worlds?

[13:45] The message Dr. Mary received from “The Council” and what her view of the future is

[14:49] Discussing evolution and the infinity loop

[15:32] The influence of the human on the host (Mother Earth)

[17:38] Human nature’s resistance to doing the right thing 

[19:40] Dr. Mary shares a story about taking out the garbage and the connection to the importance of your intention

[21:19] Why did Dr. Mary make the choice to come back after death?

[23:45] Ask yourself this question about life

[24:44] Words of encouragement and perspective 

[26:24] How can people connect with the other side without having a near-death experience?

[28:24] Debra shares about her near-death experience at 15 years old

[29:47] Changing frequency to connect with the other side

[32:11] The longing for the deepest listening 

[34:30] When does Dr. Mary’s emotional body get touched?

[36:30] The nature of Dr. Mary’s trust

[37:15] Does Dr. Mary feel like there is a higher intelligence that is witnessing what’s happening in the world?

[39:05] Seeing patterns in situations and people

[40:14] Who Dr. Mary would love to have a conversation with, alive or not

[42:51] Questioning the assumption of sacrifice and changing the conversation

[44:44] An upcoming class Debra will be teaching this summer about childhood and our purpose

[47:13] Debra interprets the childhood theme of Dr. Mary Helen as described by her Astrological chart

[48:33] Falling in love with your fate

[49:15] A story about releasing yourself from the bondage of what others think

[50:52] Changing your inner dialogue with compassion

[52:36] Final words from Dr. Mary Helen- “There is no magic recipe…”

[54:30] If you’re interested in evolving, it’s as simple as this

TW: Death, abortion, rape How to love your life by understanding death- whether you have an irrepressible zest for life or you’re struggling to find joy and make this life make sense, we can all connect more deeply with life through its opposite… death.

This is part one of an absolutely fascinating (and quite fun) interview with Dr. Mary Helen Hensley where we re-examine our relationship with death and life. Dr. Mary Helen brings her insights into the human nervous system through her work as a chiropractor, author, and healer, with a very unique twist- she had a near-death experience in her twenties that changed everything.

Dr. Mary Helen shares the story of her near-death experience as well as her deep connection to the spiritual realm as a child, despite growing up in a household that didn’t naturally accept her gifts. With Dr. Mary Helen’s Astrological chart on hand, Debra immediately connects Dr. Mary Helen’s experiences beyond the veil with components of her chart. 

This conversation holds practical, easy-to-understand analogies and insights on what happens beyond this life, and through a richer understanding of our karmic paths (as indicated through our Astrological charts) and what happens beyond life, we can lean more into loving our experience in this lifetime.

Get your copy of Dr. Mary Helen Hensley’s Promised by Heaven here: https://amzn.to/3UUCxD8 

• How to love your life by understanding death and reexamining your relationships with life and death

• Incredible recollections from a near-death experience

• The relevance and importance of regulating your nervous system in the physical and spiritual realms

• Understanding the energies of Pisces, Aquarius, Taurus, Scorpio, and Gemini within different applications in a natal chart

• Insights from beyond the veil and beyond our human constructs of time

[0:46] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Dr. Mary Helen Hensley

[1:45] “Having an affair on life” as we are called to re-examine our relationship with death and life [2:21] Debra shares a personal story of dealing with death and honors her friend Tim in this conversation

[3:50] Dr. Mary introduces herself 

[4:50] Interpreting Dr. Mary’s Astrological chart highlighting Pisces, Aquarius, Taurus, and Scorpio energy

[7:13] Dr. Mary shares about her upbringing with a southern baptist father 

[8:44] Dr. Mary’s mother had the German measles while pregnant with her and her father’s “event” that helped give him clarity around Dr. Mary’s life path

[10:45] The importance of “Judge” in Dr. Mary’s story

[12:43] “The kitchen table talk” and Dr. Mary’s ability to see spirits

[13:40] Dr. Mary’s practical analogy around how she sees people in spirit

[14:38] Dr. Mary’s tells the story of her near death experience

[17:38] Details around Dr. Mary’s out of body experience and the awareness of being “the master of your own ship”

[19:20] Debra seeks confirmation around a premonition and a car accident

[20:55] What happened after the first sound Dr. Mary heard and its connection to our soul frequency

[22:37] Dr. Mary describes what happened just before her life review moment and connection to elderly people [25:25] Debra echoes the imprint of NDEs and where most people can’t connect to the experience

[26:18] How long Dr. Mary was outside of her body and the breakdown of the constructs of time

[27:32] The life review moment that changed everything for Dr. Mary

[29:27] What happens in a near-death experience that juxtaposes when we attach the ego to this reality

[30:48] Experiencing different realities and the spinning plates analogy

[31:43] Astrology enters the past-life karma chat

[33:08] Debra shares about her new book that will come out in 2025

[34:01] When Dr. Mary was given the choice to come back into this lifetime

[37:20] “You already are that which you seek.”

[38:39] The relevance of regulating your nervous system

[39:15] Speaking to the traits of Gemini Rising

[40:55] How interfering with the nervous system can be a tool for growth

[41:44] The reminder for us all through this conversation

[42:32] Why do we study Astrology?

[43:20] One of the key gifts that Dr. Mary came back with after death

[44:12] An insight into the observance of traumatic death and Dr. Mary’s example to support this insight

[48:37] The big moment Dr. Mary witnessed her father experiencing during the height of his dementia

[51:15] Closing out part one of Debra’s conversation with Dr. Mary

[53:26] Allowing fear to have its own voice

[54:08] Sharing gratitude for this conversation with Dr. Mary

How to find pleasure in being in a body, creating a dialogue between your emotional and physical body. These two human systems are critical to our well-being and experiences in life, yet we tend to evaluate and feel them separately, which can create dis-ease. Finding pleasure in the body can be key to fully embracing your incarnation in this lifetime.

Debra is joined by Liz Letchford who, by way of the evolution of her work, has embodied a mission to bridge these two worlds. As Liz says, “We came from the stars,” and she has actually learned components of Astrology by relating the signs to the systems of the body. 

Liz speaks to marrying the two oppositional worlds of science, through her sports medicine and PhD in biomechanics, and the mystical world within her somatic and intuitive work, which she shares about within this episode. Sitting in the middle between opposing energies and showing how one can support the other is one of Liz’s great abilities, as evidenced by her Mercury in Pisces.

You’ll get to experience Liz’s Aries energy, her fun-loving Sagittarius vibe, and the intuitive, sensual nature of her Cancer Moon and Venus in Taurus. Tune in and refresh your perspective on the pleasure of being in a body, whether you have left that behind or have yet to feel it. It’s time to reconnect our physical and emotional planes.  

Connect with Liz Letchford here: https://bit.ly/lizletchford 

• How to find pleasure in being in a body by creating a dialogue between the emotional and physical 

• How an event in infancy charted the course for Liz’s focus in this life

• An exploration of how unprocessed emotions create physical symptoms 

• The interpretation of similar Astrological components Liz and Albert Einstein share 

• The need for creating bridges between seemingly opposite worlds, like the physical and emotional and the logical and mystical

[01:04] Introducing the I Don’t Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Liz Letchford, who shares about her relationship with Astrology

[02:34] Liz introduces herself  

[03:55] Where we need to give Pisces credit as Debra interprets Liz’s Mercury in Pisces

[05:57] The connection between Liz and Albert Einstein’s Astrological charts

[06:32] Liz shares about her shift into embodying her science and work

[07:18] “Unprocessed emotions create physical symptoms.”

[08:20] Sharing Liz’s Astrological chart and breaking down some key components

[09:36] The last time Liz cried and why it’s part of her embodiment practice

[10:49] Debra shares her gratitude for people like Liz

[11:42] How Liz’s lifestyle had to change to match her intuitive and emotional needs

[13:32] Why people come to see Liz in her professional work

[14:21] What Liz wishes people would do

[14:54] Liz shares something shocking she did as a child, the moment she got disconnected from her body, and how it lead her to where she is now

[17:23] Bringing the unconscious imprint up, as Debra works through in Tell Me A Story

[18:03] Debra shares about what it means to have your Moon placement in a Water sign and a Water House

[19:34] Appreciating your incarnation no matter where you are at in your soul’s evolution

[20:28] Liz shares about a recurring dream about a spiral and Debra connects that symbol to the soul’s evolution

[21:17] What Liz couldn’t live without

[22:17] Liz shares something somewhat “hidden” about her work and a story of it coming into play during a session

[26:14] The slogan Debra had on the back of her business card

[26:43] Debra shares a key takeaway for the audience 

[27:17] Someone alive or passed on that Liz wishes she could have a conversation with

[28:46] If Liz wasn’t talking about the body, she would be interested in…

[30:27] Debra’s feeling about Liz’s gift in this life

[30:55] Where Debra and Liz met

[31:34] Closing out the podcast