The I Don't Believe in Astrology Podcast

How to feel more and dream bigger in a world full of chaos and comparisonitis. We have all felt the need to numb ourselves out and avoid feelings of heartbreak or even grief; we've also all been victim to the sense of being not good enough or experiencing alienation.

This is a recipe to squash our life-force and suffocate our dreams. Our guest Ayesha Ophelia has her own Astrological recipe for transmuting our pain body into power and dreaming as big as possible.

Ayesha has also unlocked more facets to her abilities from her studies in Level 1 of Debra's Applied Astrology school. Debra shares her hopes to have Ayesha join her therapeutic writing course, Tell Me A Story, which is a powerful avenue for personal transformation and creativity.

Ayesha Ophelia is a rising voice in spirituality and wellness. Her work meets at the intersection of creativity and the seen and unseen realms. She walks the path of the muses which are; art, creativity, and the spark of inspiration living in us all.

Ayesha and Debra dive into the dominant Scorpio energy of Ayesha's chart, in the Astrological House of networking and communication, allowing her to feel with the depths and operate with the heights of this human experience.

Debra also speaks to the Astrological component in Ayesha's chart that powers her dream world and manifestation prowess, as well as the Astrological component that has given her quite the streak of luck. Maybe you have these Astrological flavors, too- tune in to find out!

Connect with Ayesha Ophelia here: https://www.instagram.com/ayeshaophelia/

Join our next Tell Me A Story writing course here: https://bit.ly/4afAm1B

• How to feel more and dream bigger and how that can impact your experience in this lifetime

• Collective and cultural experiences of feeling alienated and how Astrology can help soothe those feelings

• The high road and low road of Scorpio

• Ayesha's experience in Level 1 of Applied Astrology and Debra's hopes of her joining a cohort of Tell Me A Story

• Debra's permission slips around authenticity and embracing our creativity

[00:54] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Ayesha Ophelia and her entrance into Level 1 of Applied Astrology

[01:37] Ayesha introducing herself in her own words

[03:12] Bringing up Ayesha's natal chart with a quick review of her chart

[04:27] Speaking to the component in Ayesha's chart that shows the futuristic and revolutionary part of her character

[05:30] Debra speaks to feeling resistance to her revolutionary way of approaching therapy with Astrology

[05:54] Ayesha speaks to the connection between a childhood memory of watching E.T. and the current collective vibe

[08:13] Everyone has an alienated part of them; that's where Astrology can help

[09:39] Debra shares an inspiring permission slip around authenticity and finding your voice

[09:58] The transition of Ayesha being a support to others and then "leaving the nest" and speaking her own message

[10:56] Ayesha speaks to what happened during her Saturn return

[12:18] Debra connects pieces of Ayesha's chart to a past company she ran

[12:45] Ayesha shares about moving through grief as her mother left this realm and her connection to her mother then and now

[13:57] What Ayesha couldn't live without in this lifetime

[15:22] Ayesha's strong 12th House in her Astrological chart and a concrete story about her big dreams and using her voice

[17:13] What Ayesha would do if she wasn't a voice on social media

[17:50] Debra's reminder to carry your creativity and child-like spirit into adulthood

[18:24] Who Ayesha would love to have a conversation with throughout time and Debra sharing a similar reflection from a past podcast guest

[21:09] The last time Ayesha cried and her wisdom around welcoming heartbreak

[22:41] Debra shares an encounter with Spirit she had decades ago

[23:58] Reflections on grief

[25:06] The two things we all long for

[26:20] The underutilization of dreaming

[26:52] The revolution happening in the human condition

[27:56] Ayesha shares about an influential dream for her

[31:10] The high road of Scorpio as evidenced by Ayesha

[31:57] Debra tells Ayesha about her writing course, Tell Me A Story

[32:50] Are your words impactful? Or are they just theory?

[33:18] Ayesha reflects on what she learned about missing Elements through Debra

[34:22] How Ayesha feels about where we are headed as a society

[36:16] Ayesha shares about her luck, evidenced by an impactful Jupiter placement next to her Ascendant/Rising sign

[38:27] What happens when live under correct knowledge (LUCK)

How to lead by example and help the planet- what's more important than taking care of your home (Earth)? Debra sits down with biological resource engineer Bobby Gill to talk about the realities of the climate crisis and practical ways we can all help Mother Earth.

Bobby speaks about the importance of "voting with your dollar" and the importance of environmental legislation. Our home, and the future of the planet, are on the line.

From an Astrological perspective, Bobby didn't know about Astrology; tune in to hear Debra translate his chart, easily pinpointing his innate nature. Bobby shares reflections of Debra's Astrological insights and reflects on his Saturn return and the popularity of Astrology.

Bobby shares how he believes society is reinventing itself from a "dying way of living." Tune in for an inspiring conversation around the climate crisis, learn about desertification, and get clues into the nature of a Capricorn and Sagittarius energy.

• How to lead by example and help the planet with small efforts that can have a big impact

• Understanding the process of desertification and its importance in the climate conversation

• Seeing an optimistic future after the planet being in "hospice"

• Voting with your dollar and the government's part in the climate crisis

• How Capricorn and Sagittarius energy can show up in a personality

[01:00] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Bobby Gill

[02:45] How Debra and Bobby met and Debra's entrance into being literate around the climate crisis

[03:50] Bobby's familiarity with Astrology and Debra deciphering his natal chart

[05:45] Bobby speaks to the relevance of his adventure-seeking nature as told by his Astrological chart

[06:25] Bobby tells us about working at the Savory Institute and its mission

[08:13] An explanation of desertification and how the Savory Institute helps to teach communities

[12:15] A controversial thought within the climate crisis debate

[14:28] Debra and Bobby share their thoughts about an incredible film, To Which We Belong, by Pamela Tanner Boll

[17:43] The doom and gloom of the climate crisis, and the optimism around the corner

[20:11] The reality of the climate crisis from Bobby's perspective

[24:11] One of the things Bobby is most worried about as we navigate the changes ahead

[26:10] Debra speaks to being passionate about our life's work and taking the long view into account

[27:52] How will the government come into play with supporting environmental legislation?

[28:37] Bobby shares about "voting with your dollar" and other things individuals can do with the environment in mind

[31:25] Thoughts on the use of plastics and the conveniences we have grown accustomed to

[33:01] Debra encourages the audience to be conscious of their choices

[35:31] Reflecting on Bobby's lack of the Air element in his chart

[36:38] How Bobby's Earth and Fire in his Astrological chart shows up so prominently in his demeanor

[37:33] What Bobby would be talking about if he wasn't talking about regenerative agriculture

[38:00] One thing Bobby couldn't live without

[38:20] The last time that Bobby cried

[38:52] Who, across time and history, Bobby would have a conversation with if he could

[39:20] What's next that Bobby is so excited about

[40:05] The emergence of Astrology into the current collective mindset

[40:55] The value Astrology can provide from Bobby's perspective

[42:00] Debra asks Bobby about his Saturn return

[43:38] Thanking Bobby for his time on the podcast and Debra's hope to ignite interest in Astrology and the climate crisis

How to have a consistent meditation practice instead of adding it to your list of shoulds. Meditation is a hot topic that everyone talks about, yet so many of us find resistance in it being a consistent, fulfilling practice. You're not the only one that struggles with meditating, whether you're struggling in your current practice to stay consistent or struggling because you don't have a practice in the first place.

This episode might help you fall in love with meditation!

Debra is joined by Kilkenny Tremblay, Yoga and Meditation professor and host of Modern Mystic Podcast, who in addition to being a lifelong lover of meditation, yoga, and other spiritual teachings, is an alumni of Debra's Applied Astrology school.

Kilkenny and Debra discuss how meditation is a dynamic practice, not a one-size-fits-all approach. Debra sheds light on a part of Kilkenny's Astrological chart that countless other professional Astrologers have seemed to avoid, making Kilkenny's point of how solid Debra's approach and Astrological method is, and how Astrology terminology will soon be as fluent to the masses as yoga has become.

The history and dynamics of Pluto are highlighted, bridging the connection between Kilkenny's intense passion for life and her work, and her ability to speak to the seen and unseen, the magical and the mundane.

Here's your chance to learn about the influence of Pluto in Astrology and update your perspective on why meditation is so powerful. Plus you'll hear tips on how to integrate meditation fully into your life, and if you have children, how to get them interested, too!

Learn more about Kilkenny Tremblay at https://bit.ly/kilkennymodernmystic

• How to have a consistent meditation practice following simple tips from Kilkenny and Debra

• The question around meditation that everyone is thinking and no one likes to admit

• Kilkenny's top tip on how to get children interested in meditation (it's easy!)

• Discovering Pluto in historical terms and its Astrological symbolism and effects

• Why Kilkenny enrolled in Applied Astrology and what sets Debra's method of Astrology apart from other Astrologers

[00:50] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Kilkenny Tremblay

[04:17] What Kilkenny experienced at five years old that was her entrance into the spiritual world

[05:23] Kilkenny shares about her mediation practice and matching meditations to the disposition of the person practicing

[07:28] How often does Kilkenny practice meditation?

[08:24] Sharing Kilkenny's chart and the Astrological indicator that gives a nod to Kilkenny's easy access to meditation

[10:03] The question around meditation that everyone is thinking and no one likes to admit

[11:53] A brief mention of Kilkenny's time in Debra's Applied Astrology school and the connection of the mind (Mercury) to meditation

[13:33] The spiritual inheritance people experience (or don't) in their lifetimes and the Astrological fluency that is coming soon

[15:34] Walking through Kilkenny's chart again, speaking to an aspect in her Astrology chart that so many Astrologers didn't speak to in Kilkenny's life

[19:13] How Pluto in Kilkenny's Astrological chart shows her intense intention for her life, and discussing parts of the history of Pluto scientifically and spiritually

[21:24] Kilkenny speaks to how her strong Plutonian signature shows up in her life

[23:48] Kilkenny shares some of her favorite episodes from her own podcast, Modern Mystic

[25:23] Debra shares more on the history of Pluto and its representation of the invisible world

[27:22] What Kilkenny always says to people about the benefit of meditation

[29:23] The ability of meditation to put us out of the victim mentality and back into the driver's seat

[31:45] Debra and Kilkenny speak briefly to the initial resistance to meditation

[32:38] Kilkenny shares her top tip on how to integrate mediation into children's lives

[34:33] There is no random order to the souls that show up in our lives

[35:36] What people don't say about Libra

[36:06] Do any of Kilkenny's three children have resistance to meditation?

[36:47] Why and how parenting has always been a big interest for Debra in her Astrology practice and how to introduce our children to spiritual practices

[37:58] A recap of what we have learned about meditation in this interview

[39:09] Kilkenny shares about her podcast, Modern Mystic

[39:37] Closing with gratitude and a beautiful way to think about meditation, as well as ways to connect with Kilkenny as a practitioner and Applied Astrology alumni

How to follow your soul, regardless of the path the outside world tells you to take. That is the message of this podcast interview with a deeply intuitive and charismatic person who could see his own soul-aligned future, leading him down a road that wouldn't serve his father's wishes, but would fulfill his own karmic purpose and healing.

(TW: mentions of war)

Debra is joined by Kute Blackson, a beloved inspirational speaker and transformational teacher. Kute is widely considered a next generation leader in the field of personal development. His mission is simple: To awaken and inspire people across the planet to access inner freedom, live authentically and fulfill their true life's purpose.

Kute shares miraculous stories from his childhood, along with life-changing moments that, with Sun in Cancer in the House of the futurist, were guided by his inner knowing. Kute echoes Debra's interpretations of his Astrological chart, connecting her insights into pivotal moments of his life, including his life theme of karmic healing through his emotional bonds.

From saying no to a predetermined path chosen by his father, to following his intuition to go to the United States with very little to his name, Kute's experiences moving through the humble beginnings of his career are another inspiring facet to who he is and has become in this lifetime. This is an interview that will have you captivated from the very beginning, leaving you empowered to continue on your unique journey of your soul's calling.

Learn more about Kute Blackson at www.kuteblackson.com

Get Kute's books, The Magic of Surrender: Finding the Courage to Let Go and You Are The One: A Bold Adventure in Finding Purpose, Discovering the Real You, and Loving Fully

• How to follow your soul and listen to your inner knowing

• Nudges from God/the Universe when you are (or are not) living in alignment

• The Astrological meaning of Jupiter Return

• How to determine your life theme through your Astrological chart and how that has played out for Kute

• The importance of finding peace within our own lives

[00:55] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Kute Blackson

[01:18] Kute shares about the spiritual dynamics of his father and his own upbringing, including an experience Kute's father didn't share with his congregates

[02:11] Miraculous memories that Kute has from growing up

[04:30] What happened to Kute at age 8 and age 14 and how those events did not align with his calling

[06:07] Debra walks through Kute's Astrological chart and interprets the theme of Kute's life

[07:18] How Kute navigated coming into alignment with his purpose and telling his father that he would not be following the path his father had decided for him

[11:20] The way that God answered Kute's calling

[13:40] Kute set foot onto U.S. soil; what he does next

[15:04] Kute recalls a collect call made to his mother in the midst of him worrying about whether he made the right choice

[16:05] Kute's humble beginnings as he started his journey in the U.S.

[17:26] Where is Kute now? His introduction of himself and his work

[19:36] The titles of Kute's two published books

[20:02] What was the bridge between Kute having nothing to entering into his true destiny?

[21:35] Kute has a promise to be a star yet his intuition tells him it's not aligned; what he does next

[23:13] Debra talks about Kute's Jupiter Return, with Kute sharing how that has played out for him

[23:50] Kute comes back to America after traveling the world, feeling at peace while having nothing, and the entrance of his coaching practice

[24:42] A neighbor asks Kute to help her ex; Kute "downloads" a process of uncoaching to change this man's life

[26:01] How Kute's "uncoaching" career began

[27:36] How Kute's parents ended up feeling about his career and the message from Kute's mother after her passing that changed his relationship with his father

[29:38] What happened in 2022 that felt like evidence of karmic healing for Kute

[30:59] Debra interprets Kute's karmic healing through his Sun in Cancer in the 11th House, along with his grounded Moon in Capricorn

[32:41] How does Kute feel now within his life?

[33:33] What are Kute's feelings about our collective future on this planet?

[35:30] Debra shares about her thoughts on the eras of the people in our lives

[36:09] How can we have peace on the planet without having peace in our individual lives? Kute and Debra share their perspectives

[37:11] The last time Kute cried

[38:04] Kute shares about his optimism around the future

[39:18] Kute explains how we live in duality and the goal of awakening to our true nature

[41:20] Kute explains his views on organized religion now

[42:39] How Kute feels about plant medicine and its current popularity and usage

[45:53] Who Kute would like to have a conversation with, passed or alive, if given the opportunity; Kute shares about his regret

[48:00] The reminder of the emotional bonds we will never replace in this lifetime; giving gratitude to Kute's Cancer-Leo energy making this notion real as this interview ends

How to walk the path of the mystic and tune into higher knowledge. Podcast guest Paul Selig says he has no advice for our listeners, yet his presence and his life's work shows us the importance of opening ourselves up to a higher power.

Paul Selig is one of the foremost contributors to the field of channeled literature, after a spiritual experience in 1987 left him clairvoyant. He attended New York University and earned a master's from Yale. He is the author of Beyond the Known: Realization and The Book of Innocence.

As a double Scorpio personality with a prevalent Virgo energy in his chart, the richness and depth of Paul's work and his loyalty to the purity of his path is impressive. Paul takes Debra through his journey to walking the path of the mystic, which admittedly began with resistance and a skeptic eye towards mysticism and his lifestyle was not in alignment with that path. Paul then experienced a series of events which led him to this new path, which would change the course of his life entirely.

Paul also shares about his first Astrological experience and as Debra walks through components of his chart, Paul connects them to avenues and events within his life. This is an interview packed with a Plutonian energy… tune in for what that means (and more).

Learn more about Paul Selig at https://www.studentsoftheguides.com

Get your copy of The Book Of Innocence: https://amzn.to/46cnlDB

Get your copy of Beyond the Known: Realization: https://amzn.to/3QDGSah

• How to walk the path of the mystic and what might lead you to find it

• How channeled literature is birthed into our reality

• The energetics of double Scorpio and a powerful Pluto placement

• The definition of mysticism in modern times and where we are likely to find those enlightened beings today

• What happened for Paul during his second Saturn Return

[01:00] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest, Paul Selig, in his own words

[02:54] Debra interprets Paul's Astrological chart

[04:41] The initial resistance that Paul had around his gifts

[05:28] The sequence of events that lead to Paul finding his channeling ability

[07:05] Paul describes his experience of resistance, as described Astrologically by his Sun squaring his Moon

[08:02] Debra's insights on the destructive ability and sensitivity of Scorpio energy

[08:47] How Paul protects his energy

[09:09] Paul describes the nature of his relationship with his spirit guides

[10:50] "Spoken stenography" and psychic work makes Paul a radio

[11:51] The projection and opinion of the spirit guides Paul has channeled about our human behavior and our future

[13:22] Is Paul a pessimist or optimist?

[14:01] The seriousness that Paul embodies as described by his Astrological chart

[15:14] When Paul isn't focused on channeling, these are the things he thinks about

[16:17] The last time Paul cried

[17:27] Paul's profession before being a channeler and the reflections of his work now

[18:50] Musings on Paul's Moon in Leo that have rung true for him, as well as the energy major Astrological themes in his chart

[20:55] The level of awareness and function of the higher beings that Paul communicates with

[22:32] The physical effects that Paul has experienced when channeling

[25:31] How Paul really feels about his channeling work

[26:38] Debra recounts the history of Astrology and Paul's communications with the higher guides about Astrology

[28:27] Paul's first Astrological chart reading experience

[31:22] Debra identifies 2020 as Paul's second Saturn Return; he shares about his experience

[33:54] The gift of Paul's lifetime as told by Astrology

[34:55] Paul shares about his father passing away when he was very young and his connection to him now

[35:49] Paul's most recent work, The Book Of Innocence, and his 12th book

[36:39] Paul is not the "best student" by way of embodying the lessons of his guides

[37:33] A quote Paul lives by

[37:54] Does Paul believe we live in a safe reality? Does he live in a safe reality?

[39:54] Take this out of this podcast interview

[41:16] Debra recaps components of Paul's Astrological chart and its connection to his past, present, and future

[41:54] Paul's perspective on showing up

[42:36] Debra asks what person/people alive or not that Paul would like to have a conversation with

[43:36] A past lifetime Paul has some recall around

[44:29] Paul's practical definition of mysticism

[45:56] Debra describes the great ones on that planet

[46:20] Paul asks when a partner is going to show up; Debra answers by speaking to his Astrological chart

[47:20] Debra speaks to the nature of a good interview

[47:51] Signing off with final thoughts from Debra and Paul

How to find wisdom in death and birth- two seemingly opposite concepts that are actually deeply connected, inviting us into deeper wisdom and soulful connection.

Debra is joined by Siobhan Asgharzadeh, a grief doula, soul activist, storyteller, dancer, lover of the wild lands, ceremonialist, and birth doula, to reach into the dark depths and fear around death and birth. Siobhan speaks to the societal urge to choose science over humanity, and to the nature of her work to bring back our old rituals and practices to give sanctity and an honoring as we usher lives in and out of our human perspective.

With four planets in Taurus in the Astrological House of community, friendship, and futuristic views, Debra and Siobhan engage in a conversation about the importance of congruence between your Astrological chart and your soul, as Siobhan echoes Debra's interpretation of these Astrological dynamics within her work as a death doula.

Death is a topic we seem programmed to hide from, to shy away at the mere mention of it. Debra and Siobhan invite us all to take a closer look at death and share their personal stories on the sacred wisdom that awaits when we choose to lean into the experience of death and birth.

Learn more about Siobhan Asgharzadeh at https://griefpilgrim.com

• How to find wisdom in death and birth by leaning into these experiences

• Understanding the practice of being a death doula

• Siobhan and Debra's personal stories of bearing witness to death and birth

• How Siobhan's four planets in Taurus, in the Eleventh House, show up in her life

• Calling in new perspectives through our old practices and rituals around death and birth

[01:00] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest

[03:12] Debra gives an interpretive overview of Siobhan's Astrological chart

[04:24] Displaying Astrological Siobhan's chart with nods to the Eleventh House of Astrology

[05:50] Siobhan speaks to her training in midwifery and her practice

[08:56] Debra and Siobhan speak to natural birth practices and why Siobhan moved towards focusing on work around death and grief

[11:51] How Siobhan works with death now and what she sees in her practice from a societal perspective

[15:30] Debra reflects on her own study of being a death doula

[16:58] The connection of this conversation to the climate crisis

[17:33] Debra shares a personal story of the passing of one of her best friends

[18:55] Debra asks those listening, "What is your relationship with death?"

[19:25] Siobhan speaks to the resistance to death and birth

[20:55] Debra shares a personal story about witnessing death that changed her perspective

[22:25] Siobhan describes how death can feed life and shares about the first death she witnessed

[28:40] Debra reflects on the elemental pieces that occur in birth and death

[30:50] Debra asks Siobhan to reflect on her four planets in Taurus in the Eleventh House as a draw to community and her life's work

[34:31] Debra shares about the practice of sitting shiva

[36:20] The old rituals of birth and death brought back to the surface by Siobhan

[36:64] Bringing ceremony, ritual, and honoring to our experiences

[38:15] Siobhan speaks to us using words and functions as a society that don't allow us to feel and access our heart

[39:51] Sharing what the mind, heart, body, and spirit perspectives are through grief

[41:22] The goal of the game of life, as told by an Astrologer

[42:03] What Debra always knew about death and attachment to our beliefs

[43:23] The most important conversation to be had about the congruence between your soul and your Astrological chart

[44:12] "The soul is an endangered species."

[45:22] The initiation of Saturn Return

[47:46] The analogy of midwifing the death and the birth of Earth

[48:37] Siobhan finishes out the podcast with a beautiful story

[51:26] We need to see beyond our mind's perspective by dropping into our hearts and souls

[53:23] Closing out with the essence of this podcast

How to talk to angels and help your soul become more intertwined with your human experience. That's the theme of our podcast with the ethereal Lorna Byrne, who seems to be an ambassador of the angels to our human species.

Lorna Byrne has been seeing and talking to angels since she was a baby. She talks openly about what she's learned and how angels completely guide her life. Lorna is the author of seven best-selling books, including Angels in My Hair, The True Story of a Modern-Day Irish Mystic. Lorna's books have been published in more than 50 countries and 30 languages around the world.

While this podcast episode will not feature an Astrological chart due to Lorna being uncertain of her birth time, Debra is able to connect the dots of what Lorna does know about her birth time and the Astrological placements that present themselves in Lorna's life. Lorna has not spent much time with Astrology, but she echoes Debra's Astrological analysis during this interview.

Lorna shares her visions of the future, where there is no division as our souls become one with our humanness. In this future, we live in peace with each other and nature, our home. According to Lorna, the future depends on this spiritual evolution.

Lorna Byrne has physical sight of the unseen world, of the angels, spirits and other spiritual beings that she says are guiding and teaching us every second of every day. Many have sensed these beings occasionally but do not see them tangibly like Lorna. But Lorna says we all have this potential if we grow spiritually, when we can learn to talk to angels.

Tune in for a recollection of incredible angelic sights, stories, and the beginning steps to shift our perspectives and open our world up to the divine.

Learn more about Lorna Byrne at lornabyrne.com

Get a copy of Lorna's Book, Angels In My Hair: https://amzn.to/3LZoPKk

• How to talk to angels and connect your soul to your human experience

• The truth about our guardian angels and how they see us

• Incredible stories throughout Lorna's life as she received messages from the angels

• Lorna's Aries nature and her Mercury in Pisces, as interpreted by Debra, contributing to how she has perceived the physical world, as well as the world beyond

• Messages about the divine, no matter what your beliefs are

[00:57] Introducing the I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast and an introduction of our guest's mission to help others

[02:00] Our guest, Lorna Byrne, talks about the reminder from the angels to keep her gift quiet

[02:57] Our guest, Lorna Byrne, introduces herself and tells us about her early beginnings

[04:30] Debra interprets Lorna's Mercury in Pisces and Lorna reflects on Debra's interpretation with her real life experiences, even in infancy

[06:09] Lorna's beginnings of being a late talker, with the angels reminding her to keep her gifts a secret

[06:55] Lorna speaks to the guardian angels we all have and her request to Archangel Michael

[07:46] Do angels eat and taste food? Lorna answers and sheds light on the clothing that angels appear with

[08:46] Debra shares about her sense of her guardian angels (that seem to have a sense of humor)

[09:34] The true nature of spirituality

[10:55] What Lorna thinks people should do when they start their day

[11:46] Lorna shares about a direct experience with the angels when she was a child, playing with her brother that had passed away

[13:46] Lorna recounts being open publicly about her gifts and an abrupt message from Archangel Michael

[16:14] Lorna can't read; she tells the story of finally saying yes to God's message to begin writing and the synchronistic events that followed

[20:20] More synchronistic events came to help Lorna get her book published

[21:54] One thing God always says to Lorna

[23:01] Debra asks: What makes it okay to say no to God? Lorna answers and tells Debra about the difference between angels and God

[25:08] Why angels love to be around people

[26:01] Debra asks Lorna about the conversation around angels and sensitive religious subjects like abortion; Lorna shares story of being called to speak to a woman who became pregnant and who had nuns telling her she was pregnant with the a child of the devil

[29:14] A question Lorna always asks God

[30:00] Are angels envious of us?

[30:11] What Lorna wishes people would do

[31:54] Lorna shares a story that reflects how souls choose their parents and the lives they will lead before they are born

[33:05] What Lorna couldn't live without and how Lorna feels she is different from others having been brought up by the angels

[34:32] How Lorna distinguishes herself from the angels

[35:27] The intertwining of the human being and the soul, as told by Lorna and Alice Bailey's work

[36:41] Lorna's uncertainty about when she was born, making it difficult to read her Astrological chart [37:42] Debra interpret what she does know about Lorna's Astrological composition

[37:58] Debra shares appreciation for what Lorna's presence and gifts can teach us all

[38:27] Lorna shares about what the future looks like and why the intertwining of ourselves to our souls and spirituality is so important

[39:25] How Lorna's work has been perceived by scientists she has worked with

[40:19] Lorna shares her visions of the future and how the United States has a different vibrance that will be pinnacle for our collective future

[42:59] The last time Lorna cried and what touches Lorna the most

[44:44] How Lorna's children navigate their mother's gift

[45:57] The story of Lorna's husband that began with a message from an angel at the age of 10

[50:01] When Lorna recognized her husband from the vision the angel gave her, and more information she knew ahead of time before actually meeting him [52:24] Debra appreciates how Lorna has changed our point of view

[53:23] Lorna's final words, no matter what your beliefs are

[55:05] Debra's final words on asking your guardian angels for help

How to let go of your fear may have you wondering, "What is on the other side of fear?" On the other side of fear is the deepest love imaginable, a sense of peace, and an unshakeable connection with your soulful self.

Debra is joined by Christian Sundberg. When Christian was a young child he remembered his existence before coming to Earth. While that memory left him completely for his early adult life, it spontaneously returned at the age of 30 as Christian took up a meditation practice and went through a personal awakening journey. Christian now seeks to remind others in at least a small part of who we really are beneath the human "play."

Christian is the author of the book A Walk in the Physical, which attempts to succinctly describe the larger spiritual context in which we exist and the importance of love in our human journey. While Christian is ambivalent on the topic of Astrology and has never had a reading, Debra connects his chart to life's purpose, the timeline of his spiritual journey, and the major themes of Christian's life.

Christian speaks with Debra about his path towards spiritual awakening, his pre-life memories, and shares wisdom on the connection between fear and our un-evolvedness. It's time to learn to let go of your fear- tune in to hear why…

Learn more about Christian Sundberg at https://awalkinthephysical.com/

Get a copy of Christian's Book, A Walk In The Physical: https://amzn.to/46xQjhT

• How to let go of your fear and what happens you do

• Messages from the higher intelligence of the other side

• Pre-life memories and how we all choose which life we incarnate into

• The importance of releasing our ego stories

• The themes of Aries and Virgo energy, and the shift within a Saturn Return

[01:14] Christian Sundberg shares his experience with Astrology so far, and Debra introduces him as a double Aries with Moon in Virgo

[01:45] Debra shares about her life-changing from watching Christian's other interviews and identifies a major undertone in our zeitgeist

[03:33] Christian gives an overview of his professional career as a project manager

[04:00] Debra gives an elemental overview of Christan's Astrological chart

[04:42] Christian began to go through his awakening during his Saturn Return

[05:08] Debra shows Christian's Astrological chart and dives into the mathematical timing of Saturn cycles and the activation during Saturn Return

[06:19] Christian provides an important disclaimer about the limitations of the human language before telling his story

[07:55] Christian tells the story of his spiritual activation which began with listening to Tom Campbell, reading his 1,000 page book, and starting a meditation practice

[10:21] Christian describes his first non-physical, out-of-body experience

[12:41] The entrance of Christian's pre-birth memory

[13:35] Christian shares one of the reasons he is here in this lifetime, and how his spiritual path has been unfolding to support his learning

[14:34] Debra recalling part of Christian's story that stuck out to her; Christian shares more about that story

[16:41] "The depth to which we are wounded must be healed."

[18:11] How Christian accepted the veil

[20:46] Christian's remembrance of being a fetus and deciding not to come into a life

[23:43] Christian explains reviewing his life experience ahead of coming into this life

[25:17] Describing the essence of the soul and the only way to be incarnated

[26:43] Christian mentions his illness at the age of 22

[27:07] "Human lives are so precious."

[27:59] Debra echoes Christian's sentiments and why Astrology works

[28:23] The nature of our experience as a human

[30:24] A lesson from Alice Bailey

[31:54] How we "make choices in the context."

[33:14] How Christian's awareness plays out in his life

[34:45] Debra shows Christian's Astrological chart and speaks to his life purpose; Christian echoes his experience with having three planets in Virgo

[37:01] How the Pisces and Virgo axis shows up in Christian's life

[39:00] Releasing our ego stories

[42:20] "We're not actually separate."

[42:54] What Christian wishes people would do

[43:36] The two ultimate issues that are happening on Earth

[44:11] What was the purpose of ignorance in the human experience?

[45:21] Debra reflects on the appetite for our human impulses

[46:20] Why we experience a high level of constraint and limitation as humans

[47:31] How we all act from a place of fear

[48:48] Why can't our unconscious minds filter out the negative or the evil impulses like how our internal organs filter out toxins?

[50:24] There's not really an enemy- our fear is the problem

[52:39] Christian's thoughts on the evolution of the human species

[55:50] What happens when you face your fear

[57:08] The vibrational temperature of humans is higher than what it has been and the refacing and integration of old societal patterns

[58:29] Christian's thoughts on extraterrestrials

[1:00:15] Christian's optimism around the ecological terror that is transpiring

[1:01:36] Debra explains the continuance of fundamental principles regardless of our physical existence (or Earth's physical existence)

[1:02:46] The root of feeling threatened

[1:04:41] What Christian wouldn't want to live without

[1:05:11] Someone Christian would love to speak with

[1:05:58] The last time Christian cried

[1:06:38] Christian and Debra discuss if there is anything to fear in this life; the truth behind it all

How to be more disciplined is key to growth and achieving excellence. Do you know the true function of discipline beyond the negative connotation? Tune into this conversation with digital marketing expert Destinee Berman, whose own focus on discipline played a huge role as the catalyst of creating Debra's Applied Astrology school.

Every Monday morning for many years, Debra had a conversation with destiny (aka Destinee) to dream up and manifest the structure of her business. In this episode, Destinee shares her formula for success is not just in the numbers and data-driven results, but in how she manages and stabilizes her energy and spiritual center.

Destinee shares about the effects of her intense and difficult entrance into this life during the Cambodian holocaust and as a result of growing up poor, while Debra shares about how the tremendous Capricorn influence in Destinee's chart has gifted her with a potent perseverance towards excellence. Even more Astrological insights are shared by Debra using her unique method of Astrological interpretation, including a focus on Destinee's Saturn on the Sun and Mercury in Scorpio, as Destinee affirms Debra's analysis to be true with concrete life examples.

"I don't believe in Astrology" was a phrase never in Destinee's vocabulary, and working alongside Debra has only amplified her belief and application of this ancient language.

If you've been looking for more discipline in your life, this is the episode you've been waiting for!

Connect with Destinee on Instagram (@desberman)

Find out where discipline shows up in your own Astrological chart and sign up for Debra's self-study course, Inner View: Discovery of YourSELF through the Stars. This course is similar to Level 1 of Applied Astrology, but you'll study on your own, at your own pace, at a fraction of the price. Join now for instant access: http://innerview.info/

• How to be more disciplined for more growth and achieving excellence

• Dispelling the negative connotations around the word "discipline" and celebrating success

• Destinee and Debra share keys to success and manifestation

• Destinee's entrance into Astrology and how it lead to working with Debra

• The spectrum of a major Capricorn signature in someone's chart

[00:53] Introduction of Destinee Berman, in Debra's words as well as Destinee's own words, as our guest on The I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast

[04:00] Debra pulls up and interprets Destinee's Astrological chart

[05:45] How Debra and Destinee met and Destinee's reflection of her reading with Debra

[07:00] Destinee shares about her intense entrance into this lifetime

[08:55] The karmic relationship between Destinee and Debra

[09:53] What drives Destinee

[11:22] Destinee shares her formula for manifestation

[13:15] How Cardinal energy plays out in business

[13:55] Destinee's sense around the climate crisis

[15:24] The way Destinee's Mercury in Scorpio consumes information

[16:29] How Destinee's Capricorn Rising is a dominant energy in how she shows up in the world

[17:55] Destinee's softening around her Moon in Cancer

[18:22] Debra speaks to the permission present in the energy of Destinee

[19:09] Reflections on the word "discipline"

[21:22] How Destinee is preparing for her older age and how that notion shows up in her Astrological chart

[21:55] Destinee's entrance into Astrology

[23:09] Debra shares something she always thought to be true about Destinee that also describes the nature of Capricorn energy

[24:42] Accepting the nature of your chart

[25:52] Debra shares about starting her business and being a single parent and how Destinee affected her

[26:56] Permission around success

[27:55] How Destinee describes her work ethic and the balance of motherhood

[29:25] If Destinee wasn't talking about online marketing, what would she be doing instead?

[30:33] "I wish that people would ______."

[31:09] What Destinee wouldn't want to live without

[31:46] A person in history that Destinee would love to have a conversation with

[32:54] Destinee's fundamental belief about the future

[34:33] What Destinee continues to know without question

[35:22] Debra reflects on Destinee's example of excellence and perseverance

[37:11] Debra shares about the gift of success

[37:54] "I don't believe in Astrology' is not in Destinee's vocabulary

[38:26] Signing off with gratitude

How to make your next choice in life- the feeling of being frozen in fear of making the "wrong" decision is something we have all wrestled with. What if you had guidance to help you unfreeze and get into flow with making the best decision? The answer lies within your intuition (and your Astrology chart) as evidenced by our guest, Julie Reisler.

Julie Reisler, a board-certified master life and wellness coach, is an interior designer for your soul. She's a mentor to hundreds of coaches, change-makers, and soulful entrepreneurs. Julie is the host of The You-est You® podcast and the author of Get a PhD in YOU. Julie has been featured in Forbes, MindBodyGreen, The Chopra Center, Bustle, and Thrive Global for her work as a coach, teacher, and conscious business leader. Julie is a multi-time TEDx speaker and has spoken on stages throughout North America. She is also a popular course creator on Insight Timer, the number-one ranked mindfulness app.

Debra and Julie's conversation is hinged on the importance of connecting with the truth of the divine and learning how to lean into your intuition. We all have intuitive abilities; some of us just come with a more easeful access, like Julie as evidenced by her Grand Trine in Water, which Debra breaks down using her method of Astrology in a way that resonates deeply with Julie. Julie loves Astrology yet has only dabbled in it, and this conversation with Debra around her Astrological chart has Julie ignited her eagerness to learn more through Debra's work.

Tune into this conversation to release any reluctance you have about your own intuitive gifts, and get insights into how to relax into soul-based decisions by accessing your inner knowing.

Connect with Julie on Instagram (@juliereisler) and get Julie's FREE 7-day workbook to design your best life: juliereisler.com/toolset

Join Debra for her Astrological Immersion, happening now, with a LIVE event starting August 21st that you won't want to miss! Grab your free front-row seat at astrologicalimmersion.com

• How to confidently make your next choice in life

• The one simple question that may be the game-changer the next time you are caught at a crossroad

• Astrological markers that speak to the ability to reach a high level of success and a strong psychic ability (you may have them, too!)

• The importance of listening to your gut or intuition

• How Debra's method of Astrology is igniting new excitement to learn Astrology for Julie

[00:42] Introduction Julie Reisler as our guest on The I Don't Believe In Astrology Podcast

[02:47] Debra shows and interprets Julie's Astrological chart

[05:15] The quality about Julie that makes her standapart, and Julie identifies a quality of herself that she has never said out loud before

[06:20] Debra speaking to the invitation and permission of the podcast and of Debra's Applied Astrology school

[07:05] Debra Astrologically breaking down Julie's gift and Julie affirming Debra's cosmic translation of her chart

[08:37] The vision or visual that Julie has seen that shows her gifts

[09:17] The turning point of Julie waking up to a greater spiritual connection and new way of living

[12:40] A question from a coach that shifted Julie's perspective completely

[14:08] How Julie's family reacted to her big life shift (and Debra describes the Astrological connection to their reaction)

[15:46] Jumping back into Julie's chart to speak to her Grand Trine, an Astrological component that for Julie indicates a strong psychic, intuitive ability

[16:35] Julie's excitement for Debra's Astrological gift and Debra's method for breaking it down so simply

[17:16] Julie's life lesson, mental body, and intuitive nature as its shown by her Grand Trine in Water

[18:12] The first book Julie wrote, Get a PhD In You

[19:40] Another book that Julie has started and a new idea that has come through for Julie that is calling to her

[20:46] What Julie wishes people would do

[22:17] Julie's intuitive knowing about her current husband and a knowing about her previous husband

[23:41] Another description of Julie and her intuitive gift as told by her Astrological chart

[24:28] The reluctancy of owning our spiritual gifts and Julie's take on foundational spiritual teachings that bridge and transcend religions

[26:40] The recognizable master teachers that have connected with Julie

[27:15] What recapitulation means and how it is ever present in Julie

[27:58] What Julie couldn't live without in this life

[28:41] The gift that came out of Julie's lower spine injury

[29:38] About Julie's women-led business and being a professor at Georgetown University

[31:30] One thing Julie would change about herself

[32:30] Debra speaks to the Astrology and coaching connection and Julie's need for movement each day

[34:07] What Julie sees and senses about the climate crisis

[36:35] How the inner work we do can change our outer world

[37:13] Julie speaking to materialism, fighting, and lack of compassion that is prevalent in humanity and the mirror of it in the climate crisis

[38:21] The inspiration that Julie provides and how we can all see that within ourselves

[39:37] The best way to connect with Julie

[40:07] Julie's obsession with her work and how it shows up in her natal Astrological chart

[40:44] Signing off with gratitude for connection and Julie's energy of light and love