The Latch Revolution

The Latch Revolution

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  • Breast Pumping in Clinical Practice: What We’re Still Getting Wrong - E13

    Pumping should be simple. But for many mums… it becomes painful, confusing, and ineffective.

    In this episode, Katie and Joh unpack what’s really going on when pumping “isn’t working” — and why the answer is rarely what you think.

     

    Episode Summary

    Katie and Joh take a deep dive into the reality of pumping, starting with one of the most overlooked issues in lactation support — incorrect flange/shield sizing. They explore why so many women are given the wrong size, how this affects comfort and milk output, and why going smaller, not larger, is often the key to effective stimulation.

    The conversation moves into pump types, including hospital-grade pumps, double pumps, and wearable devices — where, for once, Katie and Joh don’t entirely agree. They explore the tension between efficiency and flexibility, and how the “best” pump depends entirely on the individual mother, her circumstances, and her goals.

    They also unpack practical strategies to improve pumping outcomes, including timing, vacuum levels, switching between stimulation and expression modes, and why watching milk output can actually reduce it. Joh shares the now well-known “sock over the bottle” technique and the surprising impact of removing visual pressure.

    Finally, the episode broadens into the emotional and psychological experience of pumping — from stress, grief, and NICU experiences to the importance of oxytocin and creating a sense of safety. They highlight that pumping is not just mechanical — it is deeply physiological and emotional, and support must reflect that.

    In This Episode We Cover

    • Why incorrect flange size is one of the biggest barriers to effective pumping

    • Why smaller sizes often work better than larger ones

    • The difference between hospital-grade pumps and standard pumps

    • Wearable pumps vs traditional pumps — and where Katie and Joh differ

    • Why pumping should never be painful

    • How to set the correct vacuum level based on comfort, not numbers

    • Timing: why 15 minutes is often enough

    • Switching between stimulation and expression modes

    • The “sock over the bottle” method and why watching output reduces milk flow

    • Oxytocin and pumping — what actually helps milk release

    • Why pumping can carry emotional weight, stress, or grief

    • Why a pump session does not reflect total milk supply

    • Power pumping — when to use it and when to stop

       

      Want More From Katie and Joh?

      Check out our courses for professionals:

      Decoding the Suck: Gentle support for babies with sucking difficulties

      https://thelatchrevolution.com

      Breastfeeding & Lactation: The Fundamentals

      https://katiejames.site

      Pregnant or a new mum? Find more support from Katie:

      The Feeding Couch® – Breastfeeding SOS

      https://katiejames.site

       

      Download the FREE 5 Gentle Questions booklet:

      https://www.thelatchrevolution.com/gentle-questions

       

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        Medical Disclaimer

        Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for personalised medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Listeners should always seek the guidance of their own healthcare provider, midwife, or lactation consultant with any questions they may have regarding their own situation or that of their clients. Katie James and Johanna Sargeant do not accept responsibility for any decisions made based on this content.

         

        Keywords

        breast pumping, breast pump tips, flange sizing, pumping milk supply, wearable breast pumps, hospital grade pump, milk expression, lactation support, pumping problems, low milk output, oxytocin breastfeeding, power pumping, exclusive pumping, NICU pumping

        44 min
      • "My Milk Has Disappeared” — What’s Actually Happening? E12

        “My milk has disappeared.”

        It’s one of the most common messages mums send in panic — often around the 8–10 week mark.

        Breasts feel soft, leaking stops, letdowns change… and suddenly everything feels different.

        In this episode of The Latch Revolution, Katie James and Johanna Sargeant (IBCLCs) explore the common experience of breastfeeding mums feeling like their milk has suddenly disappeared.

        They begin with the classic scenario around 8–10 weeks, where breasts feel softer, leaking reduces, and sensations like letdown are no longer as noticeable. This shift can feel alarming, particularly as many mums are no longer receiving regular support at this stage.

        Katie and Joh explain how this change is often a normal transition from the early, less regulated phase of milk production into a more efficient, demand-led system. The body has learned how much milk to make and no longer needs to overproduce.

        The conversation then moves into other situations that can feel like milk has disappeared, including illness, hormonal changes, return of periods, pregnancy, and thyroid changes. They explain how these factors can temporarily affect milk supply but do not mean that milk is gone permanently.

        Finally, the episode explores a more sensitive and complex topic — how grief and significant stress can affect the milk ejection reflex and make it feel as though milk is no longer there. They discuss how this is a physiological response to overwhelming stress, and the importance of compassion in these situations.

        In This Episode We Cover

        – Why breasts feel softer around 8–10 weeks
        – Why leaking and letdown sensations can disappear
        – How milk production becomes more efficient over time
        – Why babies are the best indicator of milk supply
        – Temporary changes from illness or hormonal shifts
        – The impact of returning periods on milk supply
        – Pregnancy and breastfeeding changes
        – Thyroid conditions and milk production
        – How grief can affect milk ejection

        Want More From Katie and Joh?

        Check out our courses for professionals:

        Decoding the Suck: Gentle support for babies with sucking difficulties

        “My milk has disappeared.”

        It’s one of the most common messages mums send in panic — often around the 8–10 week mark.

        Breasts feel soft, leaking stops, letdowns change… and suddenly everything feels different.

        Episode Summary

        In this episode of The Latch Revolution, Katie James and Johanna Sargeant explore the common experience of breastfeeding mums feeling like their milk has suddenly disappeared.

        They begin with the classic scenario around 8–10 weeks, where breasts feel softer, leaking reduces, and sensations like letdown are no longer as noticeable. This shift can feel alarming, particularly as many mums are no longer receiving regular support at this stage.

        Katie and Joh explain how this change is often a normal transition from the early, less regulated phase of milk production into a more efficient, demand-led system. The body has learned how much milk to make and no longer needs to overproduce.

        The conversation then moves into other situations that can feel like milk has disappeared, including illness, hormonal changes, return of periods, pregnancy, and thyroid changes. They explain how these factors can temporarily affect milk supply but do not mean that milk is gone permanently.

        Finally, the episode explores a more sensitive and complex topic — how grief and significant stress can affect the milk ejection reflex and make it feel as though milk is no longer there. They discuss how this is not a failure of milk production, but a physiological response to overwhelming stress, and the importance of compassion in these situations.

        In This Episode We Cover

        – Why breasts feel softer around 8–10 weeks
        – Why leaking and letdown sensations can disappear
        – How milk production becomes more efficient over time
        – Why babies are the best indicator of milk supply
        – The role of nappies and swallowing as evidence
        – Temporary changes from illness or hormonal shifts
        – The impact of returning periods on milk supply
        – Pregnancy and breastfeeding changes
        – Thyroid conditions and milk production
        – How grief and stress can affect milk ejection

        Want More From Katie and Joh?

        Check out our courses for professionals:

        Decoding the Suck: Gentle support for babies with sucking difficulties

        “My milk has disappeared.”

        It’s one of the most common messages mums send in panic — often around the 8–10 week mark.

        Breasts feel soft, leaking stops, letdowns change… and suddenly everything feels different.

        Episode Summary

        In this episode of The Latch Revolution, Katie James and Johanna Sargeant explore the common experience of breastfeeding mums feeling like their milk has suddenly disappeared.

        They begin with the classic scenario around 8–10 weeks, where breasts feel softer, leaking reduces, and sensations like letdown are no longer as noticeable. This shift can feel alarming, particularly as many mums are no longer receiving regular support at this stage.

        Katie and Joh explain how this change is often a normal transition from the early, less regulated phase of milk production into a more efficient, demand-led system. The body has learned how much milk to make and no longer needs to overproduce.

        The conversation then moves into other situations that can feel like milk has disappeared, including illness, hormonal changes, return of periods, pregnancy, and thyroid changes. They explain how these factors can temporarily affect milk supply but do not mean that milk is gone permanently.

        Finally, the episode explores a more sensitive and complex topic — how grief and significant stress can affect the milk ejection reflex and make it feel as though milk is no longer there. They discuss how this is not a failure of milk production, but a physiological response to overwhelming stress, and the importance of compassion in these situations.

        In This Episode We Cover

        – Why breasts feel softer around 8–10 weeks
        – Why leaking and letdown sensations can disappear
        – How milk production becomes more efficient over time
        – Why babies are the best indicator of milk supply
        – The role of nappies and swallowing as evidence
        – Temporary changes from illness or hormonal shifts
        – The impact of returning periods on milk supply
        – Pregnancy and breastfeeding changes
        – Thyroid conditions and milk production
        – How grief and stress can affect milk ejection

        Want More From Katie and Joh?

        Check out our courses for professionals:

        Decoding the Suck: Gentle support for babies with sucking difficulties

        https://thelatchrevolution.com

        Breastfeeding & Lactation: The Fundamentals
        https://katiejames.site

        The Feeding Couch® – Breastfeeding SOS
        https://katiejames.site

        You can also access the 5 Gentle Questions Booklet — a clinical tool designed to support deeper conversations in breastfeeding consultations: https://www.thelatchrevolution.com/gentle-questions

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        Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for personalised medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Listeners should always seek the guidance of their own healthcare provider, midwife, or lactation consultant with any questions they may have regarding their own situation or that of their clients. Katie James and Johanna Sargeant do not accept responsibility for any decisions made based on this content.

        Keywords

        milk supply disappeared, breastfeeding 9 weeks, soft breasts breastfeeding, breastfeeding panic milk gone, letdown disappeared breastfeeding, breastfeeding hormones period return, thyroid breastfeeding milk supply, pregnancy breastfeeding changes, stress milk supply, grief breastfeeding

         

        41 min
      • What’s Normal in the First Month of Breastfeeding? - Ep 11

        The first month of breastfeeding can feel completely unpredictable.

        One day your baby feeds constantly. The next day they barely wake to feed. Your breasts feel full, then suddenly soft. And every small change can make a new mum wonder if something is wrong.

        In this episode, Katie and Joh talk about what is actually normal in those early weeks.

        Episode Summary

        In this episode of The Latch Revolution, Katie James and Johanna Sargeant explore what typically happens during the first month of breastfeeding and why this period can feel so confusing for new mothers.

        They discuss how babies often feed in very unpredictable patterns during the early weeks. Some days a baby may feed almost continuously, while on other days they may sleep more and feed far less. This variation can feel alarming to new mums, but it often reflects normal growth patterns and recovery cycles rather than a problem.

        Katie and Joh explain why focusing on nappies and overall weight trends is far more helpful than watching daily changes in feeding frequency or weight. They discuss how frequent weighing can create unnecessary anxiety and why weekly weight checks are often more appropriate once feeding is established.

        The conversation also explores the importance of recognising feeding cues and how easily these can be missed, especially when families are busy or when babies are more sleepy. Katie describes early, mid and late feeding cues, while Joh explains how subtle head movements and searching behaviours often signal that a baby is looking for the breast.

        They also unpack what is happening hormonally in the mother’s body during the first month. In these early weeks breastfeeding is still hormonally driven, with frequent feeding stimulating prolactin and helping establish long-term milk production. As the weeks progress, the system gradually shifts toward supply-and-demand regulation.

        Finally, they discuss why introducing bottles, dummies, or other feeding tools in the first weeks requires nuance. While these tools can sometimes help families in specific situations, understanding the physiology of milk production in the first month is key to protecting long-term milk supply.

        In This Episode, We Cover:

        • Why feeding patterns can feel unpredictable in the first month

        • Why daily baby weight checks can increase anxiety for breastfeeding mums

        • How nappies and output help confirm that a baby is feeding well

        • The early, mid and late feeding cues newborn babies show

        • Why sleepy babies can sometimes miss feeding opportunities

        • What is happening hormonally in a mother’s body during the first month of breastfeeding

        • How prolactin and frequent feeding help establish milk supply

        • When breastfeeding shifts from hormonal regulation to supply and demand

        • Why introducing bottles or dummies in the early weeks requires consideration

        • How understanding breastfeeding physiology helps protect milk supply

           

          Want More?

          Courses for birth professionals:

          Decoding the Suck: Gentle support for babies with sucking difficulties

          thelatchrevolution.com

          Breastfeeding & Lactation: The Fundamentals

          katiejames.site

          For pregnancy and new mums and parents:

          The Feeding Couch® – Breastfeeding SOS 

          katiejames.site

           

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          The content of this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for personalised medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Listeners should always seek the guidance of their own healthcare provider, midwife, or lactation consultant with any questions they may have regarding their own situation or that of their clients. Katie James and Johanna Sargeant do not accept responsibility for any decisions made based on this content.

           

          Keywords

          first month breastfeeding, newborn feeding patterns, breastfeeding frequency newborn, breastfeeding feeding cues, newborn nappies breastfeeding, prolactin milk production, supply and demand breastfeeding, early breastfeeding weeks, breastfeeding weight gain newborn, breastfeeding physiology first month

          38 min
        • Antenatal Colostrum Harvesting: Helpful Skill or Hidden Pressure? E10

          Antenatal colostrum harvesting.

          Some call it essential. Others call it unnecessary pressure.

          In this episode, Katie and Joh unpack the nuance — without extremes.

           

          Episode Summary

          In this episode of The Latch Revolution, Katie James and Johanna Sargeant, IBCLC's sit down for an unplanned, cuppa-style conversation about antenatal colostrum harvesting — and quickly discover that while their opinions are strong, they are surprisingly aligned.

          They explore how colostrum harvesting has evolved from a targeted strategy for mothers with gestational diabetes to something increasingly promoted to the wider pregnant population. Katie reflects on how social media, online kits, and pressure to “prepare properly” can strip the nuance from what is meant to be a gentle, curiosity-based skill.

          Joh shares how she approaches the conversation in prenatal consults: as an opportunity for a breastfeeding mum to learn how to handle her breasts confidently, without urgency or expectation. The focus is not on stockpiling syringes, but on familiarity, technique, and understanding how the body works while the placenta is still in place.

          The episode also addresses common concerns, including why using a pump in pregnancy is not recommended, and the important distinction between curiosity and rigidity. Katie and Joh discuss the second night feeding frenzy, how small amounts of expressed colostrum can sometimes support maternal well-being, and why larger volumes may interfere with the natural frequency that brings milk in.

          Throughout the conversation, they return to the same core principle: context matters. Technique matters. Personality matters. And above all, nuance matters.

           

          In This Episode, We Cover:

          • Why colostrum harvesting moved beyond gestational diabetes

          • The difference between curiosity-based practice and pressure

          • Why using a pump in pregnancy is not recommended

          • How placenta hormones affect milk production before birth

          • Why technique may determine whether colostrum appears

          • The second night feeding frenzy and how small volumes may help

          • How large antenatal stores could potentially interfere with early feeding frequency

          • The importance of tailoring advice to each breastfeeding mum’s personality and capacity

             

            Need More Support?

            Decoding the Suck: Gentle support for babies with sucking difficulties

            thelatchrevolution.com

            Breastfeeding & Lactation: The Fundamentals – Course for birth professionals

            katiejames.site

            The Feeding Couch® – Breastfeeding SOS – for new mums and parents

            katiejames.site

             

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            Katie: @katiejameslactation

            Johanna: @milkandmotherhood

             

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            Editor’s Note:

            During this conversation, Katie misquoted the proportion of women in the DAME trial who collected zero colostrum antenatally. The correct figure is approximately one in four. We have added a brief in-episode clarification to ensure accuracy.

             

            Medical Disclaimer

            The content of this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for personalised medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Listeners should always seek the guidance of their own healthcare provider, midwife, or lactation consultant with any questions they may have regarding their own situation or that of their clients. Katie James and Johanna Sargeant do not accept responsibility for any decisions made based on this content.

             

            Keywords:

            antenatal colostrum harvesting, colostrum expression in pregnancy, DAME trial colostrum, gestational diabetes breastfeeding, hand expression technique pregnancy, placenta and milk production, second night feeding frenzy, breastfeeding preparation pregnancy, hand expressing colostrum before birth, breastfeeding confidence antenatal

            42 min
          • Breastfeeding Pain: What’s Normal, What’s Not, and Why Words Matter - Ep 9

            Breastfeeding pain is one of the most common reasons mums stop feeding — yet many are never given the language to describe what they’re feeling.

            In this episode of The Latch Revolution, Katie James and Johanna Sargeant unpack breastfeeding pain with nuance, practicality, and honesty.

            Breastfeeding pain is often talked about in extremes: either it’s “normal, push through,” or “it should never hurt.” In this conversation, Katie and Joh slow the topic down and help differentiate between normal, stretchy discomfort and pain that signals injury or a deeper feeding issue.

            They talk about why pain often peaks in the early days, what ongoing pain is telling us, and how positioning choices — particularly upright feeding with firm pillows — can contribute to shallow attachment and nipple damage. The episode also explores laid-back feeding, why it supports baby reflexes and maternal comfort, and why it still isn’t taught routinely despite decades of discussion.

            A key theme throughout is observation. Rather than focusing only on the breastfeeding, Katie and Joh discuss watching the whole mum — posture, breathing, hands, shoulders, voice, and tension — and how these cues give vital information about what’s really happening during a feed.

            This episode is about giving mums and lactation supporters better language, clearer guidance, and confidence to know when to seek help — without guilt or dismissal.

            In this episode, we cover:

            • Why breastfeeding pain isn’t one thing and needs better language

            • The difference between normal stretchy discomfort and injury pain

            • Why the belief that breastfeeding should never hurt is unhelpful

            • When pain typically peaks in the early days

            • Signs that pain needs further assessment

            • How positioning and pillows affect attachment and comfort

            • Why laid-back feeding supports deeper attachment

            • What observing the whole mum can tell us about pain

              Need more support?

              If you want to go deeper into breastfeeding assessment and support:

              Decoding the Suck: Gentle support for babies with sucking difficulties

              Learn how to assess suck, attachment, and oral function with confidence, and support babies whose feeding challenges aren’t straightforward.

              Visit thelatchrevolution.com

               

              Breastfeeding & Lactation: The Fundamentals

              A comprehensive, evidence-based foundation for birth workers who want to strengthen their understanding of breastfeeding physiology and clinical decision-making.

              Visit katiejames.site

               

              The Feeding Couch® – Breastfeeding SOS

              Ongoing support for breastfeeding mums who need reassurance, clarity, and help navigating feeding challenges.

              Visit katiejames.site

               

              Follow on Instagram: @katiejameslactation @milkandmotherhood

              Watch on YouTube: The Latch Revolution

               

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              Medical Disclaimer

              The content of this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for personalised medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Listeners should always seek the guidance of their own healthcare provider, midwife, or lactation consultant with any questions they may have regarding their own situation or that of their clients. Katie James and Johanna Sargeant do not accept responsibility for any decisions made based on this content.

              Keywords:

              breastfeeding pain, nipple pain breastfeeding, normal breastfeeding pain, painful latch, laid-back breastfeeding, breastfeeding positioning, breastfeeding assessment, lactation support, midwife breastfeeding care, IBCLC support

              45 min
            • Can Breastfeeding Mums Eat Anything? Food Rules, Cabbage, Spice and Why We’re Overthinking It - Ep 8

              We nearly didn’t record this episode because breastfeeding and nutrition is a topic loaded with pressure, strong opinions, and a lot of misinformation.

              But after an Instagram comment asked us to cover it, we realised this conversation is exactly what many breastfeeding mums and clinicians need: less perfection, more realism, and a lot more nuance.

              Katie shares a vivid early-midwife memory of breastfeeding leaflets paired with food pyramids and impossible expectations, and Joh describes the common end-of-consult question: “What should I eat?”

              Often it comes with a long list of foods a mum has been told to avoid — brassicas, onion, legumes, spicy food, dairy, gluten, eggs, caffeine, alcohol, fizzy drinks — until it feels like there’s nothing left.

              We talk about why, for most breastfeeding mums, the most helpful message is simple: you should be able to eat everything, unless you have a diagnosed medical condition and specialist support.

              We explore the difference between “ideal,” “optimal,” “good,” and “okay,” and why removing foods based on fear can cause guilt, anxiety, and unnecessary restriction in a vulnerable postpartum period.

              We also unpack common myths: the assumption that “gassy foods” or fizzy drinks create unsettled babies, and how sleep deprivation plus repeated advice can lead mums to blame themselves for normal baby behaviour.

              Katie and Joh discuss cultural patterns around postpartum foods and how many traditional recommendations have the same themes: calorie-rich, nutrient-dense, comforting, and nurturing.

              Finally, we talk about calories and diet culture postpartum. Making milk requires fuel, and severe restriction can become risky, especially when anxiety or OCD shows up as control of food intake.

              The thread that runs through the whole episode is clinical reality: meet the mum where she is, support her capacity, and choose advice that reduces pressure rather than adding to it.

              Key Takeaways:

              • Many breastfeeding mums are told to avoid long lists of foods, leaving them restricted, stressed, and hungry. 

              • For most mums, the simplest helpful message is that they should be able to eat everything, unless a diagnosed medical condition is involved with specialist support. 

              • Postpartum food advice should reduce pressure, not add guilt or anxiety. 

              • What often matters most is adequate calorie intake and practical nourishment during an intense period of life. 

              • “Ideal” nutrition and “what is possible right now” are not the same thing — flexibility matters. 

              • The idea that foods like cabbage, onion, legumes, or fizzy drinks automatically cause unsettled babies is often assumed and then self-blamed when a baby has a hard night. 

              • Many cultural postpartum food traditions share common themes: calorie-rich, nutrient-dense, comforting, and nurturing. 

              • Diet culture postpartum can collide with the demands of making milk, and restrictive control of food can spiral in an already vulnerable period. 

              • Good clinical care includes meeting the mum where she is, understanding capacity, and supporting mental health alongside feeding.

              Want to go deeper?

              Head to thelatchrevolution.com to learn more about our latest "baby": Decoding The Suck: Gentle support for Babies With Sucking Difficulties.

              For More Resources & Courses: katiejames.site

              • Breastfeeding & Lactation: The Fundamentals
              • The Feeding Couch
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                Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for personalised medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Listeners should always seek the guidance of their own healthcare provider, midwife, or lactation consultant with any questions they may have regarding their own situation or that of their clients. Katie James and Johanna Sargeant do not accept responsibility for any decisions made based on this content.

                 

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                31 min
              • Re-lactation, Induced Lactation & The Myths We’re Seeing Online - Ep 7

                Re-lactation is everywhere in the media right now — and in this episode, Katie and Joh slow the conversation down.

                They talk through what re-lactation actually is, who it’s most likely to work for, and why a woman’s early breastfeeding history matters far more than social media makes it seem. 

                Katie describes scenarios where a breastfeeding mum has built and maintained a full milk supply, stopped feeding, and later wants to bring breast milk back into her baby’s life — and why, in those cases, re-lactation can be very achievable. They contrast this with situations where a mum never reached a full milk supply in the early weeks, and why restarting later may still be possible, but with different expectations. 

                Joh shares real-world stories, including working with a woman whose milk supply was medically suppressed during a vulnerable postpartum period, and the importance of first holding space before talking protocols. Together, they emphasise how re-lactation is intensive work, similar in effort to triple feeding, and why sustainability, mental health and daily life must be part of the conversation. 

                The episode also explores goals beyond milk volume — including feeding at the breast, comfort, connection and at-breast supplementation. They discuss how even small amounts of milk, or feeding at the breast with additional milk, can be deeply meaningful for some mothers. 

                Finally, they clearly distinguish re-lactation from induced lactation, explaining when induced lactation might be considered, what it involves at a high level, and why these two processes should not be lumped together.

                Throughout, the focus remains on nuance, realistic expectations, and listening carefully to what each mother actually wants. 

                 

                Key Takeaways:

                • Relactation outcomes depend heavily on what happened in the first 2–4 weeks postpartum. 
                • Women who built and maintained a full milk supply before stopping often have the clearest path back to milk production. 
                • Women who never reached a full supply may still relactate, but expectations need careful, honest discussion. 
                • Relactation is intensive and demanding, similar in workload to triple feeding. 
                • Goals may be about connection and feeding at the breast, not just milk volume. 
                • At-breast supplementation can be a valuable option many mums have never been told about. 
                • Relactation and induced lactation are different processes and should not be confused. 
                • Sitting with the mum, understanding her life, and exploring what feels sustainable is essential.
                • Keywords:

                  relactation, induced lactation, breastfeeding after stopping, milk supply restart, breastfeeding goals, at-breast supplementation, breastfeeding support, lactation physiology, realistic breastfeeding expectations, feeding at the breast

                   

                  Want to go deeper? 

                  Head to The Latch Revolution to learn more about Decoding the Suck: Gentle support for babies with sucking difficulties. 

                  Resources & Courses:  katiejames.site 

                  • Breastfeeding & Lactation: The Fundamentals 
                  • The Feeding Couch 
                  • Decoding the Suck: Gentle support for babies with sucking difficulties 
                  • Instagram: @katiejameslactation 

                    YouTube: The Latch Revolution 

                    Leave us a 5-star review — it really helps more mums and professionals find the show.  \nSubscribe so you don’t miss new episodes.

                    Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for personalised medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Listeners should always seek the guidance of their own healthcare provider, midwife, or lactation consultant with any questions they may have regarding their own situation or that of their clients. Katie James and Johanna Sargeant do not accept responsibility for any decisions made based on this content.

                    23 min
                  • Beyond ‘Perceived Low Supply’: Listening Before We Fix - Ep 6

                    Low milk supply is one of the biggest trigger topics in breastfeeding — and in this episode, Katie and Johanna sit with the rage, grief and nuance that surround it. 

                     

                    Joh shares why she has avoided this topic for so long because low milk supply is her own story. Together they unpack how the phrase “perceived low milk supply” can humiliate mums, undermine instinct and become a barrier to help.  

                     

                    They explore how often a new mum has to justify her pain before anyone will support her — whether that’s in online groups, clinics, or emergency departments where unsettled babies are checked, labelled “well”, and the mother’s worry is dismissed.  

                     

                    They talk through what they actually look at when low supply is on the table: how the breasts feel between feeds, whether a mum ever feels full, what she notices during a feed, whether she hears swallows, and the story of when her milk came in. They bring nuance from later-postpartum mums around 9–10 weeks, who suddenly feel “empty”, stop leaking and stop feeling letdowns — even while their baby is swallowing happily.  And as always they keep circling back to counselling skills: pausing, asking open questions, letting mums talk, watching a feed together and helping her see what’s really happening. 

                     

                    They discuss weight gain as a trend, nappy output as a key sign of intake, and why believing mums — rather than forcing them to defend themselves — is the foundation for any plan.  

                     

                    This is not a list of causes and fixes. It’s a deep dive into trust, listening, and the emotional reality of low supply for breastfeeding mums and the professionals who support them. 

                     

                    Takeaways 

                    • Why the term “perceived low milk supply” can feel humiliating and dismissive to mums. 
                    • How online forums and some services make women justify their pain before offering help.
                    • What we looks at when low supply is suspected: breast fullness patterns, swallows, history of milk coming in, and baby’s nappies and weight trend.  
                    • Why many mums around 9–10 weeks panic that their milk has “disappeared” when breasts regulate and stop feeling full or leaky. 
                    • How open questions, silence, and watching a feed together help mums rebuild trust in their own perception.  
                    • Why partners’ emotional support and whole-family dynamics matter when low supply worry has been simmering for weeks.  

                    • Keywords  low milk supply, perceived low milk supply, low supply anxiety, breastfeeding worry, new mum support, nappies and weight gain, breastfeeding consult, counselling skills, lactation consultant, IBCLC, emergency visit crying baby, nine weeks postpartum, breast fullness, leaking stopping, letdown sensations, partner support, believing mums

                       

                      Want to go deeper?  Head to The Latch Revolution to learn more about our course Decoding the Suck: Gentle support for babies with sucking difficulties.  

                       

                      Resources & Courses:  katiejames.site

                       

                      • Breastfeeding & Lactation: The Fundamentals 
                      • The Feeding Couch  
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                        Medical Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for personalised medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Listeners should always seek the guidance of their own healthcare provider, midwife, or lactation consultant with any questions they may have regarding their own situation or that of their clients. Katie James and Johanna Sargeant do not accept responsibility for any decisions made based on this content.

                        33 min
                      • Foremilk vs Hindmilk: The Myth That Won’t Die- Ep5

                        In this episode, Katie and Johanna pull apart the confusion around foremilk and hindmilk.

                        They talk about how mums are told there’s “watery” milk and “fatty” milk, why it feels like there are three or five different milks once you add colostrum, transitional milk and mature milk into the mix, and how this has made feeding feel far more scientific than it needs to be. 

                        They explore fat globules sticking to the “bunch of grapes” inside the breast, the hot water tap analogy, different milk ejection reflex patterns, the famous six-minute feeder, high sugar milk in oversupply, explosive green “bubble bath” poo, unsettled but thriving babies, and why you can never truly “empty” a breast.

                        Throughout, they keep coming back to the same theme: nuance – and actually reading the baby, not just the rules.

                        Takeaways 

                        • There is one milk that changes – not separate “watery” and “good” milks. 

                        • Fat globules stick inside the “bunch of grapes” and are released gradually. 

                        • The hot water tap is a useful way to picture how milk fat changes during and between feeds. 

                        • Different mums have different milk ejection reflex patterns; some give most of their milk in the first few minutes. 

                        • Some babies are six-minute, one-side feeders and still completely satisfied; others take both breasts and longer feeds. 

                        • High sugar milk in oversupply can lead to a very full, thriving but grumbly baby with lots of gas and explosive green, bubbly poo. 

                         • We can’t fully empty a breast – babies remove around two-thirds, and some milk always remains. 

                        • Old rules like “20 minutes on the left and 20 on the right” don’t fit every mum or every breast.

                         

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                        Head to The Latch Revolution to learn more about our course Decoding The Suck: Gentle support for Babies With Sucking Difficulties. 

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                        Keywords: foremilk, hindmilk, watery milk, high sugar milk, fatty milk, oversupply, unsettled baby, reflux, explosive green poo, bubble bath poo, milk ejection reflex, six-minute feeder, 20 minutes each side, bunch of grapes, hot water tap, storage capacity, breastfeeding class, new mum confusion

                         

                        Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for personalised medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Listeners should always seek the guidance of their own healthcare provider, midwife, or lactation consultant with any questions they may have regarding their own situation or that of their clients. Katie James and Johanna Sargeant do not accept responsibility for any decisions made based on this content.

                         

                        38 min
                      • Losing Weight, Gaining Insight: The Truth About Newborn Weight Changes - Ep4

                        In this episode, Katie James and Johanna Sargeant unpack the myths and panic surrounding newborn weight gain and loss.

                        They discuss normal physiological weight loss, how over-frequent weighing fuels anxiety, and why nappies (diapers) reveal more than the scales.

                        You’ll learn how to interpret percentage loss correctly, when to act, and how IV fluids, birth interventions, and feeding frequency all play into the picture.

                        Takeaways:

                        • Most babies lose 7–8% of their birth weight — and that’s normal.

                        • Over-weighing increases anxiety and confusion for parents.

                        • Pee and poo output is a more reliable early indicator of milk intake.

                        • IV fluids during labour may be falsely inflating birth weight.

                        • Look at the whole clinical picture — not just the number.

                        • Healthy feeding plans require nuance, not one-size-fits-all charts. 

                        The information in this podcast is for educational purposes only and is not a substitute for personal medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek guidance from your doctor, midwife, lactation consultant, or another qualified health professional regarding your own health or your baby’s care. Katie James and Johanna Sargeant share insights from clinical experience and current research but do not provide personalised medical care through this podcast.

                        Explore more education: 🌐 katiejames.site 🎓 Breastfeeding & Lactation: The Fundamentals 🛋️ The Feeding Couch 🧠 Decoding the Suck 📸 @katiejameslactation ▶️ YouTube: The Latch Revolution

                        Keywords: newborn weight loss, baby weight gain, breastfeeding, milk intake, infant growth, postpartum care, IV fluids, lactation consultant, midwife, baby scales, feeding plan, nappies, milk transfer

                        47 min

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