Trigger Warning: This episode discusses sexual violence and human trafficking. 

Learn from Emmy and Golden Globe-winning actor Ashley Judd as she shares how her experiences being exploited as a child have taught her that “it is [her] birthright to heal.” She is joined by Catherine Chen, CEO of Polaris, the organization working to end sex and labor trafficking, for which Ashley is the spokesperson and activist. This is a solution-forward dialogue that helps to better understand the causes, systemic factors, and opportunities to improve this large issue, which is too often invisible. 

In this episode:

This is a personal, riveting and inspiring conversation that informs and provides hope, despite the heavy topics. We all have a responsibility to open our eyes to how we might be unknowingly upholding or allowing vulnerable people to become victims of trafficking. If you see yourself in any of the situations that we discussed today, call the National Human Trafficking Hotline at 1-888-373-7888 or text BeFree (233733). 

Timecodes:

(00:00) Episode Begins 

(06:55) When is the last time you didn’t feel enough 

(08:27) Healing is Ashley’s mandate 

(14:45) Culture of pornification 

(21:33) Human trafficking definition 

(25:20) Who buys sex 

(31:24) Tangible action to take to end trafficking 

(44:31) What to do if you are being trafficked 

(56:10) What grooming can look like 

(1:03:18) The importance of universal basic income & other policies 

(1:16:16) What does it mean to be Man Enough

QUOTES:

"It is my birthright to heal. I am healing. I was born to heal. Healing is my mandate. I am healing right now" - Ashley Judd

"Trafficking happens because our systems are broken. We start with the fundamental, which is we don't have enough economic equity, we don't have enough basic income equity in the United States." - Catherine Chen

ABOUT ASHLEY JUDD

Ashley Judd, is a celebrated actress and a passionate advocate for social justice and women's rights. Ashley has journeyed to over 22 countries, engaging directly with communities to fight gender inequality and male sexual violence. Her experiences are vividly captured in her New York Times bestselling memoir, "All That Is Bitter & Sweet." Her TED Talk on online misogyny has garnered over two million views. Ashley was Time magazine’s Person of the Year in 2017 as one of the Silence Breakers. In 2019, the United Nations honored her as Global Advocate of the Year.

ABOUT CATHERINE CHEN

Catherine Chen is the CEO of Polaris, an organization at the forefront of the fight against sex and labor trafficking in the United States. For more than twenty years she has led significant initiatives, including raising awareness about migrant workers in Qatar and launching the Partnership for Freedom with President Obama. Her work has influenced policy change and fostered innovative approaches to combating trafficking.

CONNECT WITH ASHELY JUDD:  

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashley_judd

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Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AshleyJuddOfficial

Twitter: https://twitter.com/ashleyjudd?lang=en

CONNECT WITH POLARIS

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/polarisproject/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/polarisproject1

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/polarisproject

Twitter:  https://twitter.com/polaris_project 

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We recently announced a partnership with the global nonprofit NO MORE to help prevent domestic violence and sexual assault. Each year, the organization holds NO MORE Week, a time to shine a brighter spotlight on the issues and get more people to become part of the solution. We’re proud to support the 4th annual @nomoreorg Week Virtual 5K, March 3-9, to help end domestic & sexual violence. Please join and sign up at https://organizations.hakuapp.com/sit...

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Colton Underwood, best known for his appearances on three seasons of The Bachelor and The Bachelorette, openly discusses his journey to self-acceptance. He came out as gay after living an extremely public life as a straight man on the reality show and his NFL career, leading him to reflect on the challenges and triumphs of embracing his true identity. Colton shares insights into his mental health struggles and the realizations that compelled him to stop fighting his truth, which was hurting himself and others. 

During this intimate and accountable conversation, Colton delves into the intersection of fame, personal truth, and the evolving definition of masculinity. He emphasizes the lessons he learned about honesty, vulnerability, and the courage it takes to live authentically, now striving to use his experiences for LGBTQ+ advocacy and to help others that are “hiding in plain sight”.

IN THIS EPISODE

(00:33) Justin Baldoni Introduces the Episode 

(02:39) Colton's Joy and Comfort Today vs Most of His Life 

(04:17) Creating the Image of Straightness in Style and Music Choices as a Boy

(07:40) The Pressure of Public Image and Contradictions in Identity 

(10:05) The Terror of the Locker Room as a Closeted Gay Man

(12:32) The Journey to Becoming the Bachelor and Backlash as a Public Figure 

(15:29) Early Signs of Attraction to Men and Perceptions of Masculinity

(17:31) Hiding in Sports and Entertainment, The Bachelor as “Self-Conversion Therapy”

(21:20) The Complexity of Public Straight Relationships and His Secret Life

(23:40) The Breakup That Broke the Facade, Mental Health Spiral

(25:50) Both Holding Himself Accountable for Actions and Owning His Self-Realization

(30:13) Facing Blackmail and Forced to Come Out 

(33:03) Coming Out to His Family

(35:25) Taking Care of Mental Health, Controversy, Finding Love & Friendships

(45:02) What Does It Mean to be Man Enough?

COLTON UNDERWOOD QUOTATIONS

“For the first time in my entire life, I get to be present and I don't have to worry about the future and what's going to happen and I don't have to worry about my past…I'm enjoying all of the stages of building, of loving, of learning, and I don't have to run anymore.” (44:32)

“I could become the Bachelor and date 30 women. What's straighter than that? Trying self- conversion therapy on myself…There was nothing more that I could have done to declare that I was a straight man more than becoming the Bachelor.” (00:00)

“My dad's ride or die. Anything that goes on in my life, he's got my back and I know it. And same with my mom. He helped me get better and helped me handle things and he was trying his best. My entire family was.” (32:06)

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At the age of 15, JJ '88 committed murder in an attempt to find belonging in gang life and status among his peers. In this powerful conversation, ‘88 leads us through his transformative journey through incarceration, devastation and self-realization as he discovered the inner strength to forgive himself. 

'88 approaches every room with the awareness that he can never fully undo the debts of his past but honors his journey by sharing his story, aspiring to contribute to the improvement of others. His story is not just one of personal redemption; it's a universal call to action, inspiring us to confront our challenges and emerge stronger. 

In this episode, hear about:

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IN THIS EPISODE: 

(04:23) Interview begins 

(05:22) His style during and after being incarcerated 

(13:12) Assumptions people make about him 

(16:40) Life as a gang member, the crime he committed and his sentence

(31:28) 88’ powerful relationship with his father & music 

(35:50) Rock bottom and journey through accountability

(41:25) Learning how to release shame and his transformation

(43:45) 88’ work around masculinity with young folks 

(47:24) How he forgave himself 

(49:29) Meeting his wife

(51:33) His release from prison 

(56:43) Feeling the most vulnerable & beautiful 

(01:02:00) Being Man Enough

JJ’88 QUOTATIONS:

"Shame is not accountability. Shame doesn't help me be accountable... Shame makes it about me... But in the process of doing that, I'm thinking about myself, not the person whose life I've taken."

"When you're going through oppression, you can either accept that you are what they say you are... Or you can acknowledge who you truly are and stay grounded in that."

"There are no trees in prison. So for me what it was like coming home was like smelling a tree and remembering that trees exist for real, not just on TV, not just in a book."

"In order to be restored, you have to believe that you are worthy of being restored"

"Being a man looks like having integrity. Being a man looks like keeping my word, living out what I believe and doing so in a way that isn't harmful to others."

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In this special 100th episode of the Man Enough Podcast, hosts Justin and Jamey pass the baton to their remarkable wives, Emily Baldoni and Natasha Heath! Natasha and Emily join Liz in an all encompassing conversation about motherhood, marriage, career success, and the importance of community. 

Emily provides her perspective on the evolution of the podcast and Justin's personal growth, tracing back to her first appearance in season one. Liz shares reflections on her unique experience of being often the sole woman on the show, the growth in her friendship with Justin and Jamey, and how her involvement has enhanced her trust in and understanding of men. 

Natasha unveils an exciting new business venture that merges her passion for community with her expertise in motherhood and postpartum care.

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(RECORDED OCT 3rd)

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Timecodes: 

(00:00) - Episode Begins 

(02:38) - Emily, Natasha, and Liz are taking the reins 

(9:10) - Natasha is learning to embrace discomfort 

(14:28) - The joy in “taking up space.”

(22:21) - Raising boys 

(31:09) - Liz’s Journey on Man Enough 

(35:52) - Can women have it all?

(44:19) - The importance of community in motherhood

(1:11:19) - Making domestic labor “visible” work

(1:15:26) - What does it mean to be man enough?

Quotes:

“It's okay for things to get uncomfortable. It doesn't mean the relationship is over. It just means…we gotta breathe through it.” - Natasha Heath

“The best form of activism is self -activism. Fight for yourself. Figure out who you are. Do the work.” - Emily Baldoni

"I think mothers are the most sacred people on the planet, and we just have to know that becoming parents is the greatest grandest venture." - Natasha Heath

"The greatest medicine is for us to know ourselves...because then we can show up authentically...Fight for yourself, figure out who you are,...really do the work and go deep. And then you can show up in the world with all of your gifts because they're endless once you connect to that place." - Emily Baldoni

Guest Socials:

EMILY BALDONI

Instagram: @emilybaldoni

X: @EmBaldoni

NATASHA HEATH

Instagram: @mama_tasha9

About Emily Baldoni & Natasha Heath:

EMILY:

Emily Baldoni is an actress and entrepreneur from Uppsala, Sweden, who has lived in the US since 2005. She has a long career as an actress in both TV and film and is also the co-founder of We Are Amma, a popular lifestyle brand for mothers.

She resides in Ojai, CA with her husband Justin Baldoni and their kids Maiya and Maxwell.

NATASHA:

Natasha Heath is a pilates instructor, wellness enthusiast and healer of mothers. She was a professional dancer with Bette Midler and starred as a featured professional dancer on Mi sueño es bailar (TV).  

Natasha resides in Los Angeles with her husband Jamey Heath and their beautiful blended family.

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Liz Plank

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Mark Bryan is a cis, straight-identifying, traditionally masculine man who works as a robotic engineer and football coach…and also loves wearing skirts and heels. He has unintentionally started challenging traditional gender norms by proudly incorporating so-called “Women's clothes” into his wardrobe, rejecting the idea that it says anything about one’s sexual orientation or that clothes should be gendered.

Mark recounts the pivotal college moment when he first experimented with high heels and, after a 40-year hiatus, rediscovered the empowering sensation of integrating them into his daily style. The conversation delves into the assumptions people make about Mark's sexual orientation and explores the process of communicating his style shift to both family and colleagues. He navigates the intricate paradox of advocating for clothing being just clothes and needing to be free from gender associations, while acknowledging the power they possess in helping individuals feel authentically aligned with their true selves.

This dialogue is a powerful reminder that growth often comes from accountability and challenging discussions. Lily and Elisa have an important conversation with Mark about his relationship with the LGBTQIA+ community, addressing past mistakes. Through it, Mark learns in real-time how he can become a better ally, embracing his shared mission with the queer community in fostering a safe space for self-expression.

What’s Underneath: Masculinity is Man Enough’s series in partnership with StyleLikeU, with new episodes every Thursday. Watch shorter video episodes: http://YouTube.com/StyleLikeU 

Man Enough Podcast episodes will continue to release every Monday. 

IN THIS EPISODE: 

(02:54) Freedom of expression through style and fashion

(05:22) Telling his wife about wanting to wear heels 

(06:22) Assumptions & misperceptions about his sexual orientation

(09:05) What his family thinks of his style 

(11:42) Addressing the controversy around past comments about the LGBTQIA+ community

(19:50) How powerful owning his own style can be for him and others

(24:56) Feeling vulnerable and crying 

(29:00) What does it mean to be ‘Man Enough’

MARK QUOTATIONS:

"We should have more concerns in this world other than what people are wearing. Me wearing skirts should be the least of your worries. We should be worried about racism. We should be worried about wars. The world's not going to end because Mark Bryan is wearing a skirt in high heels."

[Regarding missteps and past comments that caused harm]: "I just kind of looked at it as something to be saddened that it happened and then look forward to seeing how to correct it and make myself a better person and use it as a learning experience. It's a pretty beautiful way to look at it. It's the only way to look at life. So if it's something that disappoints you or saddens you...to try to find something positive about it. "

"I get a lot of comments on my Instagram, "Hey, be a man, you know, wear pants." I said, "I am a man, but I'm just wearing a skirt.""

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In this special episode of Man Enough, Justin Baldoni and Jamey Heath discuss a new Wayfarer Studios 4-part docu-series, "Questions", with director Ahmed Musiol. The new series, available to stream free on the CWTV app, delves into the intricate dynamics of relationships. Each episode profiles four unique couples who bravely confront their deepest fears by asking each other questions - the ones they’ve been terrified to.

Watch "Questions": https://bit.ly/QuestionsSeries 

Credits:

Executive Producers: Justin Baldoni, Andrew Calof

Executive Producers: Steve Sarowitz, Endyia Kinney-Sterns, Farhoud Meybodi

Produced by: Drew Brandon Jones

Created by Farhoud Meybodi

Directed by: Ahmed Musiol Kolacek

Participants:

Wesley Bean

Taylor Fields

Jocelyn Flores

Mike Flores

Brandon Garcia

Amber Porter

Janeiry Santana

Tim Thomas

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Disclaimer: This episode includes discussions of sensitive topics, such as sexual assault and domestic violence. Listener discretion is advised.

Jane Randel and Pamela Zaballa, leaders of NO MORE, a global domestic and sexual violence nonprofit organization and long-term advisors to Justin Baldoni’s upcoming film “It Ends WIth Us,” join for a discussion about the complex causes of intimate partner violence, generational cycles of abuse, and the burning need for empathy and inclusion towards men in these conversations.

Jamey, Justin, and Liz bravely open up about their personal experiences as survivors of sexual assault and domestic violence. Liz exposes the gaslighting survivors face, staying in relationships that appear flawless to the outside world. Jamey shares his experiences with sexual assault and molestation from a young age, processing his trauma later in life, and how he's since discovered a deep sense of peace.

Learn about NO MORE’s first of its kind collaboration with Wayfarer Studios on “It Ends With Us”, emphasizing the powerful role media can play in creating narratives of change that encourage survivors to share their stories.

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Timecodes: 

(00:00) - Episode Begins

(00:33) - We have to stop talking to men as if they are already perpetrators of abuse

(05:54) - Welcome Jane and Pamela 

(19:04) - Spotting early signs of abuse and trauma in relationships 

(31:26) - Jamey's Story 

(39:44) - Child survivors of domestic abuse  

(47:20) - Liz’s Story

(58:32) - Accountability in male friendships 

(1:12:23) - No More x “It Ends With Us”

Quotes:

“Find one friend in your life that will challenge you…so that you yourself can be better.” - Jamey Heath

“It’s the emotional scars that are deeper and longer lasting on survivors." - Liz Plank

“Abusers often have their own trauma and were victims of abuse…hurt people, hurt people." - Justin Baldoni

"We don't talk enough about love and what love makes us do, when we wonder why somebody stays or leaves." - Pamala Zaballa 

"People always say 'why didn't she leave?'... They got together because there was love. And that doesn't necessarily change, sadly. If there's abuse, there can still be love." - Jane Randel

About NO MORE:

The NO MORE Foundation is dedicated to ending domestic violence and sexual assault by increasing awareness, inspiring action, and fueling culture change. With over 1,400 allied organizations and state, local, and international chapters, NO MORE encourages everyone—women and men, youth and adults, from all walks of life—to be part of the solution. https://nomore.org/

Instagram: @Nomoreorg

Twitter: @NOMOREorg

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Schuyler Bailar, influential athlete, author, educator, and vocal LGBTQ+ advocate, shares his transformative journey. As the first publicly documented NCAA D1 transgender man to compete as a man in any sport, Schuyler's story is at the forefront of the debate on trans athletes in college sports.

Assigned female at birth, Schuyler opens up about the internal struggle he faced in accepting his own boyhood, initially associating masculinity with harmful behaviors​​. He offers candid insight into the performance of masculinity, highlighting how many boys and men seek validation solely within the male gaze, rooted in a desperate need for belonging.

A gifted swimmer, Schuyler's passion and talent have been constant through his journey of self-discovery. He provides an intimate look at locker room dynamics, offering a unique perspective on male bonding rituals and the quest for peer validation.

His decision to join Harvard’s men's swim team, after being initially recruited for the women's team, was more than a sports headline. This choice was the first statement of his personal truth, and also marked a significant moment in sports history, challenging norms and sparking discussions on inclusivity in athletics. 

Schuyler's story is a testament to the strength of character and authenticity, demonstrating how embracing one’s true identity can be a powerful tool for challenging and redefining societal norms.

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IN THIS EPISODE: 

(05:08) Feeling like an other, sports as a “girl on a boy’s team”

(07:16) First relationship to gender

(10:00) Being perceived as a cis man and erasure of trans identity

(21:19) Experiencing misogyny as a man vs woman; empathy for men

(32:34) Swim team, mental health, eating disorder

(35:13) Rehab, discovering trans identity

(46:01) Top surgery

(51:23) Joining Harvard men’s swim team vs women’s

(54:01) Men’s locker rooms; calling men in

(1:07:14) What does it mean to be “man enough”?

SCHUYLER QUOTATIONS:

“My takeaway is that if I can call somebody in…if I can get a moment where I can actually talk to somebody and connect about an experience, there's actually real change to be had."

“In the locker room, I'd see somebody tell a joke and immediately scan the room to see who else is going to respond and to give them validation...Those dynamics were so striking to me because I hadn't interacted with them in the same way before, and I hadn't been expected to participate in them either...I think that was the most terrifying moment, when I realized I had a desire to engage in the behaviors, because I had spent so long thinking all these things were horrible…Do I engage so that I can belong or stand by my values and risk belonging?”

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Loretta J. Ross is canceling “cancel culture.” Join Justin, Jamey, and Liz for an insightful masterclass with the legendary activist and scholar. Together, they dissect the ineffectiveness of our prevalent “call out culture” and explore Loretta’s proven strategies to promote a culture of empathy and accountability. 

With a career spanning over five decades, Ross has been a formidable force in social justice, from fighting apartheid, and de-radicalizing white supremacist, (11:47) to pioneering the women’s movement and co-creating the theory of reproductive justice. In this discussion, she delves into her transformative approach of 'calling in vs. calling out,' (04:53) advocating for empathetic, respectful dialogue over the confrontational public shaming prevalent in online activism. (24:05) Ross’s method challenges 'cancel culture,' aiming to bridge divides and promote growth through constructive conversations. Her insights offer a blueprint in navigating complex social issues with compassion and understanding. (53:25)

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(RECORDED OCT 3rd)

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Timecodes: 

(00:00) - Episode Begins 

(00:12) - Are we becoming sensitive as a culture? 

(03:00) - Welcome Loretta J Ross

(04:53) - What does it mean to “Call In?” 

(11:47) - Reforming Neo-Nazi’s and Fighting for reproductive justice

(24:05) - Young people & cancel culture  

(36:37) - Complex people, make complex mistakes

(53:25) - 5 ways to respond to injustice and harm 

(1:04:14) - The beauty of calling- in

Quotes:

"A calling in is a call out done with love. You're still pursuing accountability. You're not giving people a pass on injustice." - Loretta J. Ross

“I want real people around me. I don't need a martyr and I don't need an asshole. I need real people.” - Loretta J. Ross

"We've taught young people radical politics but we haven't taught them the politics of radical love." - Loretta J. Ross

“If you're not having fun fighting for human rights, you need to check out whether you're doing it the right way." - Loretta J. Ross

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LORETTA J. ROSS

Instagram: @lorettajross

Twitter: @LorettaJRoss

About Loretta J. Ross

Loretta J. Ross is an esteemed Associate Professor at Smith College and a renowned activist and scholar. Ross is credited as a pioneer in women’s reproductive rights, working as the director of the first rape crisis center in the country and co-creating the theory of reproductive justice. 

Ross’s upcoming book Calling In the Calling Out Culture  is set to release early 2025.

For more insight into building a better culture of accountability, Join Loretta’s next virtual workshop “Advancing Calling In” starting december 9th at Lorettajross.com

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