The Man Enough Podcast

The hosts tackle what it means to be a provider today, discuss how men can balance financial and emotional support, and explore the evolving roles in relationships. In the spirit of the trend “Guys Under 30 Ask, Guys Over 30 Answer”, Jamey answers audience questions on self-compassion, accountability, and being present in a fast-paced world.

From redefining traditional gender roles to maintaining healthy relationships with exes, this episode offers relatable insights and practical advice. 

Whether you're seeking self-compassion or reflecting on life's journey, Jamey and Liz provide an engaging discussion on modern masculinity and building fulfilling, balanced lives.

TIMECODES:

(02:58) Topic Begins: Men Under 30 Ask, Jamey (Man Over 30) Answers

(04:57) @lookforrev: “What skills have you learned around self-compassion?”

(09:22) @AustinCA03: "Dads who had kids relatively early, how do you maintain balance in your life while also providing for your child and spouse?"

(13:58) Theo: "What are the interpersonal or relationship skills you wish you could have learned earlier and how would you have gone about learning them?"

(20:37) James: How are expectations of what it means to be a provider changing when we are all struggling in this economy?

(25:25) Riley: "What are the positives of getting older?"

(31:06) "What can I do to help overcome the voice that's telling me to keep being miserable?"

(35:49) Jamey asks Liz: "At what point does it become easier?"

(39:31) "Who has been able to maintain strong and healthy relationship with their exes?"

QUOTES:

"I think you fall in love much more easily when you accept the person that you are trying to be in love with." - Jamey

“The voice inside my head that I thought was me for 30 plus years is actually a liar. And in the moments where I feel like that voice is really loud, that's a signal to me that I need to behave differently. Because I think it's hard to change the voice, but if you are treating yourself with compassion and you're treating yourself kindly, then that voice will become less high-pitched.” - Liz

“In this day and age where more and more women are being seen and valued for their contributions, as they should, have opportunities more than maybe at one time were afforded to them, I think families have to consult and discuss what providing means. It doesn't just mean financially. Does dad provide for the family emotionally, taking care of the home, watching out for the children, taking them to baseball practice or laundry and dishes?” - Jamey

"I feel like friendships, relationships are built in the nothingness, in the mundane stuff, and just the normal stuff." - Jamey

"I'm gonna look back at this time and think I was so young. I'm not gonna think about all the insecurities that I have right now about how aging is showing up in my body." - Liz

“How we can be better in the world, how we can be better to our parents, our children, our friends, our workmates? When you are fully accountable, then you can have real forgiveness for yourself.” - Jamey

“If you can see the end in the beginning, you might think that very thing that you were distressed about, knowing that that's what's going to then get you to the next stage. So I think part of the thing to make life easier is embrace where you are in this day.” - Jamey

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The hosts tackle the complex and sensitive issue of men’s violence against women, sparked by the disturbing P. Diddy video that recently emerged. They delve into the broader implications of such behavior, examining how men can hold each other accountable, how celebrity and power play in allowing this behavior, and the societal structures that perpetuate these cycles of abuse. 

Jamey shares a visceral reaction to seeing women be brutally mistreated (03:11), discussing the conflicting feelings of rage and the need for non-violent responses. Liz highlights the importance of listening to women and understanding their experiences without shifting the focus to male emotions (07:37). They discuss the necessity of creating safe spaces for men to seek help before resorting to violence, emphasizing proactive education for young boys to foster respect and empathy (12:27).

Men are urged to consider their roles in preventing abuse and supporting victims, with a poignant reminder of the need for systemic change and personal accountability. The conversation closes with resources for those in need of support (see http://nomore.org) and a call to action for ongoing dialogue and education (27:48).

TIMECODES:

(01:38) P. Diddy’s violence and its broader implications 

(03:17) Personal reactions and emotional impact, the human impact of witnessing such violence

(05:07) What do we do with these feelings? How do we hold men accountable? 

(06:00) The effect of aggressive male reactions on female victims they love - how to be more helpful

(10:03) How power plays into men getting away with violence, men around them staying silent

(12:41) Training young boys to see women as valuable, to see themselves as gentle creatures and not violent ones

(13:35) Quick to condemn when we see it, but no serious consequences (Trump, Cosby, R. Kelly, Weinstein)

(19:51) Why women get into violent relationships and stay - “You love the person by the time they're doing it”

(23:41) The importance of videos like this spreading even though they’re horrific, and how valuable it is to talk about this

(27:48) Resources for people experiencing abuse and for men that feel like they might be violent to get help before they cause harm (http://nomore.org) 

QUOTES:

"How do we hold each other accountable as men when we see other men do things of this nature?" - Jamey Heath

"We have to train our young boys to see women, to see themselves as gentle creatures and not violent creatures." - Jamey Heath

"When a woman is treated like an animal, we have to address it. We have to stop it." - Jamey Heath

"We reward men who are extremely uncaring and who get to where they're at by hurting people." - Liz Plank

"I went to a Trump rally for women and I asked, ‘What would you say to 7 out of 10 women have an unfavorable view of Donald Trump?’ And one woman's answer really stuck with me: "I think 7 out of 10 women have an unfavorable view of a lot of men. So I'm still going to vote for him." This idea that the bar is so low for what we expect from men in our society, that even women will want to put this person in power even though he is a violent person towards women.” - Liz Plank

"It's tricky because you have someone who's in a position of power who's paying people's bills. It's your job, it's your livelihood…We should say something, but I've got a family to uphold." - Jamey Heath

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TW: discussions of depression and suicidal ideation || Spoiler Alert: Contains minor plot points from the film EZRA

Award-winning actor & director Tony Goldwyn and writer & director Tony Spiridakis explore the universal truths of friendship and parenting. They offer insights into acceptance, vulnerability, and the power of authentic human connections. Spiridakis shares his heartfelt journey of raising his autistic son, which inspired him to write the film EZRA (now in theaters everywhere), directed by Goldwyn.

The conversation highlights the duo's 30+ year friendship, and their shared commitment to advocacy and redefining masculinity. Goldwyn's reflection, "We all have an impulse to fit in, but true strength lies in embracing who we are," sets the tone for a discussion on overcoming societal pressures. Spiridakis candidly recounts his initial struggle with his son's diagnosis and the transformative realization, "I didn't stop until I realized it was a gift", providing a touching perspective on embracing the challenges and rewards of parenting neurodivergent children (and parenting in general).

Join us for poignant stories and valuable lessons, as Tony G and Tony S inspire us to cherish genuine relationships and approach parenting with compassion and understanding. Don't miss this deeply moving and insightful conversation.

ABOUT EZRA, THE FILM

EZRA now in theaters from Wayfarer Studios and Closer Media, distributed by Bleecker Street, directed by Tony Goldwyn and written by Tony Spiridakis.

EZRA is a heartwarming and hilarious road trip story about Max, a dad played by Bobby Cannavale, who’s learning to truly connect with his autistic son, Ezra, played by the amazing newcomer William Fitzgerald. Also starring Rose Byrne, Vera Farmiga, Whoopi Goldberg, Rainn Wilson, and Robert De Niro.

See EZRA — now playing in theaters everywhere!

ABOUT TONY GOLDWYN:

Tony Goldwyn’s latest feature directing project, EZRA, with Bobby Cannavale and Robert DeNiro is now open in theaters. Goldwyn also has a role in the film, reuniting him with GHOST castmate Whoopi Goldberg. Additionally, he can currently be seen in the Academy Award winning Best Picture OPPENHEIMER and in the original “Law & Order” series talking over as the new DA.

ABOUT TONY SPIRIDAKIS:

Tony Spiridakis is an award-winning screenwriter, director, producer, and actor with nearly four decades in the film and television industry. His most recent film, "Ezra," which he wrote and produced alongside director Tony Goldwyn, premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival. The comedic drama stars Bobby Cannavale, Robert De Niro, Rose Byrne and Whoopi Goldberg, and is being released theatrically by Bleecker Street nationwide in May 2024. Currently, Spiridakis is a writer and consulting producer on the MGM+ apocalyptic drama series “Earth Abides.” He is also adapting Sandy Greenberg’s acclaimed memoir, "Hello Darkness, My Old Friend" for Wayfarer Studios. Set in the early ’60s, it’s the inspirational story of a Columbia student who goes blind right before his senior year and, without letting anyone know he has lost his sight, is able to graduate.

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Renowned dating coach and New York Times bestselling author Matthew Hussey brings his expert insights into modern dating, emphasizing the importance of building connections that go beyond superficial interactions. The conversation delves into the common traps of today's dating culture, which often lead people into patterns of avoidance and isolation. We talk about how this is particularly affecting young men and Matthew provides specific tips to help shift our perspectives.

Co-host Jamey Heath highlights the importance of prioritizing friendship as a foundation for romantic relationships while co-host Liz Plank vulnerably shares her fear and personal frustration with dating. This set the stage for a healthy debate about whether we should lower our standards or not while looking for our perfect match and the important idea of being 'happy enough' before everything else.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating the complexities of modern relationships and looking to cultivate genuine connections. Whether you’re actively dating or evaluating your current relationship, you’ll find valuable insights and advice to help you move forward. Matthew's new book, Love Life, is out on April 23, 2024 - you can pre-order at LoveLifeBook.com

TIMECODES:

(00:00) Episode Begins 

(04:45) When is the last time you didn’t feel enough?

(10:36) Dating advices men VS women

(17:36) Leaving a relationship that doesn't serve you

(20:22) Don't confuse anxiety for passion

(29:57) The loneliness epidemic

(43:15) Sacrifice attention for connection

(51:37) Unbearable desire to find love at all cost

(58:40) Should we lower our standards?

(1:07:53) The concept of "happy enough"

(1:15:37) Rapid fire questions (i.e. helpful tips)

(1:27:59) Being man enough

QUOTES:

"If you don't like the culture, you have to be brave enough to create your own." - Matthew Hussey 

"We often glorify people who have found a relationship, but there are so many people I've met who are more successful the day they leave their relationship." - Matthew Hussey 

"Anxiety can often feel like passion. You get excited about someone, but you don't necessarily know exactly why." - Matthew Hussey 

"You'll find the right one faster if you can lose the wrong one sooner." - Matthew Hussey

ABOUT MATTHEW HUSSEY:

Matthew Hussey is a New York Times bestselling author, speaker, and coach specializing in confidence and relational intelligence. His YouTube channel is number one in the world for love life advice, with over half a billion views. He writes a weekly newsletter and is the host of the podcast Love Life With Matthew Hus­sey. Hussey provides monthly coaching to the members of his private community at LoveLifeClub.com. Over the past fifteen years, his proven approach has inspired millions through authentic, insightful, and practical advice that not only enables them to find love but also feel confident and in control of their own happiness. He lives in Los Angeles.

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Trigger Warning: This episode discusses sexual abuse of a minor. 

Renowned actor and musician Drake Bell opens up about his struggles with past abuse, the complex road to accountability, and the ongoing journey towards healing. The conversation is a powerful reflection of the strength found in vulnerability and the transformative power of speaking one’s truth. 

Co-host Jamey Heath shares his own story of abuse as a child, opening the door for Drake to share more about the scars left by his abuse as a young actor on Nickelodeon, which he revealed on the MAX docuseries Quiet on Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV. As he battles with the shadows of his past, co-hosts Justin Baldoni, Liz Plank and Jamey discuss the need for Drake to take accountability for his own actions, delving into his truths and the personal resolve to mend the broken pieces. 

In this episode: 

Drake's vulnerability provides a roadmap for navigating through trauma with honesty and accountability, illuminating a path for others in search of healing and forgiveness.

This episode was recorded on March 30, 2024. 

If you or someone you know has experienced sexual abuse, help is available. Call the National Sexual Assault Hotline at 1-800-656-4673 or go to the NO MORE Global Directory at nomoredirectory.org to find support.

TIMECODES

(00:00) Episode begins 

(04:13) When was the last time you didn't feel enough?

(08:00) Background information on Drake's story and Jamey opens up about his assault

(13:00) Letters of support for Brian Peck's during trial

(17:36) Rehab and decided to share his story

(34:23) How trauma affected Drake and things he could have done better

(43:59) Allegations against Drake and holding him accountable

(1:07:43) Men who have been abused can become abusers

(1:14:19) Message to fans who are attacking his accuser online

(1:19:57) Blurred lines in relationships

(1:22:55) Drake on why shouldn't pressure people and public figures to speak out

(1:26:39) Creating a safe space for himself & healing

(1:37:20) What does it mean to you to be Man Enough?

QUOTES

“What happened to me doesn't have to define who I am.” - Drake

“I was crying when I watched your episode…I'm under a blanket on the plane crying because I’m feeling for you. I'm remembering mine. And it doesn't leave. But it doesn't have to control me anymore.” - Jamey

“One of the byproducts of trauma that you've experienced (not an excuse) is boundary issues. 30% of all men who have been abused become abusers.” - Justin

“Even in moments of weakness, you need to be able to discern and and recognize…you can't just blame a moment of weakness for why you got in your car when you were drunk and you crashed into somebody and hurt them.” - Drake

“As a woman I feel safe when men are acknowledging their mistakes, not when they are minimizing.” - Liz

ABOUT DRAKE BELL

Drake Bell is a 37-year-old American actor and musician from Newport Beach, CA. He got his rise to fame as a child actor in the 1990s on the popular Nickelodeon shows “The Amanda Show,” which aired for three seasons starting in 1999, and “Drake & Josh,” which aired for four seasons starting in 2004. He has starred in films such as, “Yours, Mine & Ours,”(2005), “Drake & Josh Go Hollywood” (2006), “Superhero Movie” (2008), and more. Bell has over five albums released, and is best known for his songs “Found a Way," “I Know”, and his recently released single called “I Kinda Relate." Bell currently resides in Mexico City where he has a large fan base supporting his music.

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Do you feel your age? At what point did we decide that aging isn't beautiful?

In this special episode of the Man Enough Podcast, Jamey and Liz explore the profound truths about aging and mortality. Jamey shares a recent chilling plane experience that made him face his own mortality, leading to a broader discussion on life's fragility. Our hosts also delve into the deep-seated societal norms and stigmas that shadow our journey into older age, dissecting the role of patriarchal structures in shaping these perceptions, including a candid conversation about the increasing normalization of Botox. From embracing the raw beauty of getting older to the unending pursuit of personal growth and understanding, this episode is an invitation to reflect on our own attitudes towards aging and the critical importance of living each day with gratitude and bravery.

Timecodes: 

(00:00) Liz and Jamey are back 

(3:28) Do you feel your age? 

(6:36) Jamey’s plane experience encountering his own mortality  

(14:00) Feeling the age you are supposed to be 

(15:15) Getting botox

(18:00) Societal pressure when aging for women VS men 

(25:00) Liz’ recent challenges

(33:00) The ways younger generations are impacted by social media 

Quotes:

"The younger that I look, then I'm farther away from that island that eventually is my demise or my birth, depending on how you look at it." Jamey 

"I think that it's a luxury and it's a privilege, but I don't feel the age that I'm supposed to be. Like I feel like I have this millennial imposter syndrome that a lot of people in my generation have where-- You don't feel the age you're supposed to be." Liz 

"When did that happen? Has that always been the case? Are our kids nowadays going like, 'I don't wanna look older because then I lose my value?" Jamey 

"We wanna hold on to our youth. I understand we wanna look good and all that stuff. At what point did we determine that getting older is not beautiful?" Jamey 

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Trigger Warning: This episode discusses sexual violence and human trafficking. 

Learn from Emmy and Golden Globe-winning actor Ashley Judd as she shares how her experiences being exploited as a child have taught her that “it is [her] birthright to heal.” She is joined by Catherine Chen, CEO of Polaris, the organization working to end sex and labor trafficking, for which Ashley is the spokesperson and activist. This is a solution-forward dialogue that helps to better understand the causes, systemic factors, and opportunities to improve this large issue, which is too often invisible. 

In this episode:

This is a personal, riveting and inspiring conversation that informs and provides hope, despite the heavy topics. We all have a responsibility to open our eyes to how we might be unknowingly upholding or allowing vulnerable people to become victims of trafficking. If you see yourself in any of the situations that we discussed today, call the National Human Trafficking Hotline at 1-888-373-7888 or text BeFree (233733). 

Timecodes:

(00:00) Episode Begins 

(06:55) When is the last time you didn’t feel enough 

(08:27) Healing is Ashley’s mandate 

(14:45) Culture of pornification 

(21:33) Human trafficking definition 

(25:20) Who buys sex 

(31:24) Tangible action to take to end trafficking 

(44:31) What to do if you are being trafficked 

(56:10) What grooming can look like 

(1:03:18) The importance of universal basic income & other policies 

(1:16:16) What does it mean to be Man Enough

QUOTES:

"It is my birthright to heal. I am healing. I was born to heal. Healing is my mandate. I am healing right now" - Ashley Judd

"Trafficking happens because our systems are broken. We start with the fundamental, which is we don't have enough economic equity, we don't have enough basic income equity in the United States." - Catherine Chen

ABOUT ASHLEY JUDD

Ashley Judd, is a celebrated actress and a passionate advocate for social justice and women's rights. Ashley has journeyed to over 22 countries, engaging directly with communities to fight gender inequality and male sexual violence. Her experiences are vividly captured in her New York Times bestselling memoir, "All That Is Bitter & Sweet." Her TED Talk on online misogyny has garnered over two million views. Ashley was Time magazine’s Person of the Year in 2017 as one of the Silence Breakers. In 2019, the United Nations honored her as Global Advocate of the Year.

ABOUT CATHERINE CHEN

Catherine Chen is the CEO of Polaris, an organization at the forefront of the fight against sex and labor trafficking in the United States. For more than twenty years she has led significant initiatives, including raising awareness about migrant workers in Qatar and launching the Partnership for Freedom with President Obama. Her work has influenced policy change and fostered innovative approaches to combating trafficking.

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CONNECT WITH POLARIS

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/polarisproject/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/polarisproject1

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Twitter:  https://twitter.com/polaris_project 

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We recently announced a partnership with the global nonprofit NO MORE to help prevent domestic violence and sexual assault. Each year, the organization holds NO MORE Week, a time to shine a brighter spotlight on the issues and get more people to become part of the solution. We’re proud to support the 4th annual @nomoreorg Week Virtual 5K, March 3-9, to help end domestic & sexual violence. Please join and sign up at https://organizations.hakuapp.com/sit...

All funds raised help support the lifesaving work of The NO MORE Foundation.

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Colton Underwood, best known for his appearances on three seasons of The Bachelor and The Bachelorette, openly discusses his journey to self-acceptance. He came out as gay after living an extremely public life as a straight man on the reality show and his NFL career, leading him to reflect on the challenges and triumphs of embracing his true identity. Colton shares insights into his mental health struggles and the realizations that compelled him to stop fighting his truth, which was hurting himself and others. 

During this intimate and accountable conversation, Colton delves into the intersection of fame, personal truth, and the evolving definition of masculinity. He emphasizes the lessons he learned about honesty, vulnerability, and the courage it takes to live authentically, now striving to use his experiences for LGBTQ+ advocacy and to help others that are “hiding in plain sight”.

IN THIS EPISODE

(00:33) Justin Baldoni Introduces the Episode 

(02:39) Colton's Joy and Comfort Today vs Most of His Life 

(04:17) Creating the Image of Straightness in Style and Music Choices as a Boy

(07:40) The Pressure of Public Image and Contradictions in Identity 

(10:05) The Terror of the Locker Room as a Closeted Gay Man

(12:32) The Journey to Becoming the Bachelor and Backlash as a Public Figure 

(15:29) Early Signs of Attraction to Men and Perceptions of Masculinity

(17:31) Hiding in Sports and Entertainment, The Bachelor as “Self-Conversion Therapy”

(21:20) The Complexity of Public Straight Relationships and His Secret Life

(23:40) The Breakup That Broke the Facade, Mental Health Spiral

(25:50) Both Holding Himself Accountable for Actions and Owning His Self-Realization

(30:13) Facing Blackmail and Forced to Come Out 

(33:03) Coming Out to His Family

(35:25) Taking Care of Mental Health, Controversy, Finding Love & Friendships

(45:02) What Does It Mean to be Man Enough?

COLTON UNDERWOOD QUOTATIONS

“For the first time in my entire life, I get to be present and I don't have to worry about the future and what's going to happen and I don't have to worry about my past…I'm enjoying all of the stages of building, of loving, of learning, and I don't have to run anymore.” (44:32)

“I could become the Bachelor and date 30 women. What's straighter than that? Trying self- conversion therapy on myself…There was nothing more that I could have done to declare that I was a straight man more than becoming the Bachelor.” (00:00)

“My dad's ride or die. Anything that goes on in my life, he's got my back and I know it. And same with my mom. He helped me get better and helped me handle things and he was trying his best. My entire family was.” (32:06)

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At the age of 15, JJ '88 committed murder in an attempt to find belonging in gang life and status among his peers. In this powerful conversation, ‘88 leads us through his transformative journey through incarceration, devastation and self-realization as he discovered the inner strength to forgive himself. 

'88 approaches every room with the awareness that he can never fully undo the debts of his past but honors his journey by sharing his story, aspiring to contribute to the improvement of others. His story is not just one of personal redemption; it's a universal call to action, inspiring us to confront our challenges and emerge stronger. 

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IN THIS EPISODE: 

(04:23) Interview begins 

(05:22) His style during and after being incarcerated 

(13:12) Assumptions people make about him 

(16:40) Life as a gang member, the crime he committed and his sentence

(31:28) 88’ powerful relationship with his father & music 

(35:50) Rock bottom and journey through accountability

(41:25) Learning how to release shame and his transformation

(43:45) 88’ work around masculinity with young folks 

(47:24) How he forgave himself 

(49:29) Meeting his wife

(51:33) His release from prison 

(56:43) Feeling the most vulnerable & beautiful 

(01:02:00) Being Man Enough

JJ’88 QUOTATIONS:

"Shame is not accountability. Shame doesn't help me be accountable... Shame makes it about me... But in the process of doing that, I'm thinking about myself, not the person whose life I've taken."

"When you're going through oppression, you can either accept that you are what they say you are... Or you can acknowledge who you truly are and stay grounded in that."

"There are no trees in prison. So for me what it was like coming home was like smelling a tree and remembering that trees exist for real, not just on TV, not just in a book."

"In order to be restored, you have to believe that you are worthy of being restored"

"Being a man looks like having integrity. Being a man looks like keeping my word, living out what I believe and doing so in a way that isn't harmful to others."

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