John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors — the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance — brings his data and portfolio-management methods back to The NAVigator to answer questions from listeners, covering concerns for California municipal bond funds in the wake of recent wildfires, how a steepening yield curve will impact discount levels, why investors shouldn't worry if closed-end funds don't appear to be keeping up with the stock market, and how historical levels of returns for closed-end funds compare to traditional mutual funds and other alternatives.

Miguel Laranjeiro, investment director for municipal debt at Abrdn, says the appetite for muni-bond assets has been growing at a point when "tax-exempt yields look really attractive," with tax-equivalent yields running up to 6 percent for investment-grade bonds, an attractive option compared to corporate and other bond types. Laranjeiro notes that potential policy changes being discussed in Washington are likely to help muni-bond investors and issuers, and that the biggest concern — a repeal of the tax exemption for muni bonds — is unlikely, and would not impact current paper if enacted. Further, Laranjeiro discusses how the wildfires in California — and similar disaster scenarios — are having some unexpected impacts on the muni-bond market.

Larry Holzenthaler, Portfolio Manager for First Eagle Alternative Credit — part of the team running First Eagle Credit Opportunities fund — gives his outlook for credit markets in 2025, noting that after avoiding default troubles when rates were rising, it should be stronger now, with paper being particularly strong in private credit. Holzenthaler further explained why private credit benefits from the interval fund structure and discussed how liquidity and valuations are shaping up in private credit now.

Mark Gatto, Co-Founder and Co-Chief Executive Officer at CION Investment Group, says that the landscape for global infrastructure spending could be as high as $3 trillion annually worldwide, which is going to create an investment asset class that is consistent, that can overcome political challenges, and that has public and private investment opportunities with significant earning potential. CION recently announced that it was teaming with GCM Grosvenor on the new CION Grosvenor Infrastructure Fund, which is currently going through the launch process — which includes a seed portfolio with nearly $300 million in assets — that should be available to advisers and investors before March.

John Cole Scott — president of Closed-End Fund Advisors and the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance — revisits the forecasts he made for the closed-end fund business a year ago and to grade himself as a soothsayer. Having made his 2025 calls for closed-end funds a week ago, he puts some weight behind his prognostications by showing that, for the second year in a row, the data that's now in the books proved most of his predictions to be correct.

John Cole Scott, President of Closed-End Fund Advisors, doesn't have a crystal ball, but he does have a mountain of data, and he digs through it to look at the stories he anticipates to be central to the closed-end fund landscape in the new year. Beyond looking at the big stories, John identifies five investments poised for breakout performances in the next 12 months.

Ken Burdon, a partner in the registered funds practice at Simpson Thacher and Bartlett, discusses how the return of President Donald Trump might benefit closed-end funds. One key development he will be looking for is for the approval of new investment vehicles that give retail investors more access to private credit markets and other alternative assets that have been until now the domain of affluent investors and institutions. He notes that the first Trump Administration was generally in favor of making more investment opportunities available, and he thinks that will pick up in the new term, especially with the selection of Paul Atkins as a potential new SEC chairman. Burdon also talks about how activist investors might be impacted by the regime change.

Ravi Chintapalli, Client Portfolio Manager on the Global Fixed Income team at Nuveen, says that the bond market has seen a structural change in the market for below-investment grade or junk bonds. Chintapalli says investors think of junk bonds as it was in times like 2007, when nearly one-third of the paper was teetering on the edge of default; today, however, only 10 percent of the below-investment grade paper carries those same low ratings, and default risk is much lower than in the past. As a result, investors can expect high-yield bonds to live up to their promise, with 7 percent income levels moving forward, and some extra risk cushion in the many cases where the bonds are selling below par.

Michael Lowenberg of White Mountain Capital — Portfolio Manager for the Modern Capital Tactical Income fund (ticker MCTOX) discusses the factors he considers when picking closed-end funds for the portfolio. Lowenberg — whose fund buys both stocks and closed-end funds — likes the funds for their downside protection, and explains that he values the assets for the portfolio more than he values any discount, noting that he will actually buy funds trading at a premium if conditions are right. He particularly likes high-yield funds right now, dislikes tech-heavy issues and is a bit heavy in cash with discounts having narrowed in recent months.

Kevin Mahn, President and Chief Investment Officer at Hennion & Walsh Asset Management — which runs the Smart Trust Unit Investment Trusts — says that he expects the Federal Reserve to cut rates over the next two years, which will drive investors to turn for income alternatives "since they can't find the 5 percent in the short-term CDs any more." That will drive investors toward business development companies and leveraged municipal closed-end funds, the latter benefitting from a reduced cost of leverage in a declining rate environment, as rates drive down. Mahn talks about using unit investment trusts — and specifically covers his firms UITs that invest in BDCs and closed-end funds — in current conditions, and talks about how the UIT structure can be a benefit for investors now.