Kathryn has been through every stage of Lisa’s work! Since her first experience in one of Lisa’s workshops to going through the group and now as a current member of the aftercare program, she joins Lisa to discuss her journey through chronic pain, finding joy in movement, and the actual magic of truly feeling your feelings.

Topics include:

[13:28] After her mother got gastric bypass surgery at the age of 70, Kathryn recognized that she hadn’t meant to pass on a harmful mindset, but after Kathryn’s 25 year old daughter recently got gastric sleeve surgery, she feels immense guilt at passing that on to her own child. Discussing how what we say and do affects people and how the negative things we are told linger ten times longer than the positive.

[34:40] After experiencing emotional and sexual abuse as a young adult, the true change came after having her daughter. She finally stood up for herself in her abusive marriage, left her husband, and moved to a new country, but chronic migraines and plantar fasciitis drove her to the breaking point. When multiple diets didn’t work, her path led her to Lisa.

[44:27] Over the pandemic, Kathryn fostered a deep love for swimming, as the meditative rhythmic motion put her mind at ease and the physical activity helped her make decisions to fuel her body with healthy food. Releasing her need for perfectionism and competition helped her find true enjoyment in the experience.

[58:54] Moving from a space of mindless emotional eating to awareness and mindfulness. How the concept of ‘treating yourself’ can enable bad habits and take you out of actually listening to your body and what it truly needs. How to *actually* feel your feelings and what that powerful practice does for your brain and body.

[1:19:10] Conceptualizing and partnering with your inner child to heal your childhood or young adult self.

Learn more about Dani Fagan at www.mytmsjourney.com and on Youtube where you can find her yoga and meditation videos.

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We are so excited to welcome back the incomparable Alison Midollo! One of Lisa’s closest friends and collaborators, Alison was on the OOTC pod back in December for the episode Inner Peace (check it out at https://anchor.fm/lisa-schlosberg/episodes/Inner-Peace-with-Alison-Midollo-e1bs785) and is here today to talk some more about the upcoming Out of the Cave and Into Your Power Retreat happening in San Diego CA at the end of September.

Topics include:

[1:55] Introductions and setting intentions for the pod - Balance and Spirituality.

[6:02] Balance versus taking things to extremes. Identifying yourself as only one thing can be harmful in many ways and restricts the possibilities and opportunities you have to grow and learn as a person. Perfectionism and people pleasing versus zen and zest.

[12:02] How acknowledging the separate parts of ourselves helps lead us to wholeness and balance. The ebb and flow of your unique gifts, letting yourself embrace that, and not forcing yourself to be one thing all the time are some of the most important things we can do for ourselves.

[17:23] What happens when all of our energy goes to consciously or unconsciously suppressing parts of ourselves. Food and eating is not the root cause, it’s this imbalance and misdirection of energy that needs to be healed in order to evolve and express ourselves fully.

[31:00] Lisa credits John Gabriel and the Gabriel Method as the beginning of her spiritual awakening. Moving from grasping desperately for control to acceptance and peace with life as it is.

[40:30] Needing to address more than just the inner child, embracing our past selves at every age. Inner resistance coming from feeling a lack of safety. Rachel Bell’s influence on Lisa and giving yourself permission to express parts of yourself you’ve hidden. Alison’s experience feeling forced to dim her natural light and positivity. Breaking out of the box or stepping out of the box that you and others may have put yourself in.

[56:42] Spirituality and spiritual awakening. Lisa’s journey into spirituality after connecting with Alison. Caroline Dewey’s definition of spirituality (which you’ll more of at the retreat in September!).

[1:08:03] How spirituality and connecting with your energetic self connects to struggles with weight and food. Letting yourself do the work through skepticism and practice love even if the spiritual language doesn’t resonate.

[1:12:13] Peace and safety are not dependent on weight, size, pain, accomplishments, etc. Showing up day after day exactly as you are and acknowledging that you still deserve and can feel peace and safety is a revolutionary act of self love. You will not always feel love and care and peace in every moment but that doesn’t mean that it’s not there for you regardless.

Find Alison online:

www.alisonmidolloyoga.com (check out her upcoming retreat and online community!!)

Instagram: @alisonmidolloyoga

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Lisa is joined by Eddy Lindenstein, host of The Mind and Fitness Podcast, to talk about control, peace, and the difference between working out because you love what your body can do versus working out because you’ll be terrified if you don’t lose weight.

Topics include:

[3:08] Eddy describes his background and work with the Mind and Fitness Podcast, which reached episode 226 as of May 19, 2022. Then Eddy and Lisa start his childhood relationship with food.

[12:43] After moving from Chico CA to Seattle WA at nine years old, Eddy experienced a massive culture shock and lifestyle change to fit in with his new schoolmates, moving into a new awareness of body and weight. Weight gain after quitting baseball due to injury led to bullying and teasing which only exacerbated the situation.

[28:43] At age 15, a family road trip contributed to further weight gain and he finally had enough. Joining a gym and going on Weight Watchers helped him lose weight and sparked a lifelong passion for exercise and fitness.

[42:45] Prepping for a competition led to an intense TMS relapse, which prompts Lisa and Eddy to discuss the scarcity mindset and love vs fear mentality in our relationships with our body. Looking back, he can acknowledge feeling a lack of power as the fundamental motivator in those moments.

[52:58] When we acknowledge our lack of control over all the things we are trying to control and force into a certain mold, an enormous weight is lifted off our shoulders and we can focus our energy on just BEING, exactly as we are (+ more on scarcity!).

[1:02:43] Integration of brain and body (aka *The Good Stuff*). No matter what happens, we are safe, and once our brains know this and truly embrace it, our lives will change. Reaching a space of love, mindfulness, and connection with food and our bodies, avoiding the pendulum swing from one extreme to another.

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Former client Amanda joins Lisa to talk about the mind-body connection, chronic pain, and how moving through your fear can open up a whole new world of possibilities and accomplishments.

Topics include:

[1:35] As a child of divorce, Amanda was faced with two radically different systems when she ate with her mom versus eating with her dad.  A lack of stability and peace can have massive effects on our inner dialogue and beliefs about food, about what is healthy and safe or even just what is ‘normal.’

[16:18] Even with multiple different diets and regular exercise, nothing Amanda was doing addressed the emotional issues that were the root of her struggles with food. She watched her weight fluctuate wildly and couldn’t seem to get it under control.

[25:34] Finding Lisa and beginning their work together, understanding the importance of the mind-body connection in our relationship with food and our bodies. After spending so much money on programs and nutritionists, what made Lisa’s work different?

[35:20] The journey from being in conflict with food and with your own brain and emotions to being kinder and gentler to yourself and others.  Embracing our own ‘ugliness’ or shadow self, things like jealousy and anger, to learn to understand those emotions and accept those parts of ourselves.

[40:07] Everything you want is on the other side of fear. Getting through the resistance to own your power is the only way we can make a change when what we’ve been doing all along just isn’t working for us anymore.

[51:10] Eating intuitively and what it really means. By building a stronger relationship with our body, we can tell when we really feel hungry and when we’re using food to distract ourselves from an uncomfortable feeling or emotion.

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Lisa continues the conversation about love and fear in our relationship with food and how we can do things that scare us, get uncomfortable, and move towards fear from a deep place of love and bravery.

Topics Include:

[3:00] Lisa talks her experience around food and eating during her recent solo travel trip to Italy and what it has been like to return “back to normal,” from a place of love

[10:40] Lisa speaks to the goal of “healing your relationship” with food, and why the mindset that we will someday be “done” can activate our fear response and how we can move in a place of love

[16:30] Love, fear, and pizza, Lisa talks about her perception of pizza during her major weight loss and what it can teach us about love and fear

[28:00] Exposure therapy, running towards the fear from a place of love and teaching your brain he scary thing is safe to address dysfunctional thought patterns around food, eating, and body image

[42:00] Reparenting yourself around food and eating as an act of self love, eating when you’re hungry, not eating when you’re not hungry, and coping and being present with your emotions

[50:00] Discipline and doing things you don’t want to do from a place of love, like going to bed at a decent time and allowing yourself to be uncomfortable

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Resources:

Exposure Therapy Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE5F-FjbTRk

Feelings Wheel: www.feelingswheel.com

Lisa has a conversation with former client Heather to talk about different places body image issues can come from, rebuilding our belief systems to accommodate fundamental truths about ourself, and doing it out of love.

Topics include:

[1:42] Early childhood memories and building our first relationship with food - food as connection and family - the transition from food as fun, family, and community to diet culture and social pressure

[9:48] Belief systems and how conflict in this area of our lives can lead to chaos and uncertainty. Designing your own belief system and finding what resonates with you. Wrestling with your own ideology and trying to find your truth.

[15:10] Chronic pain and how that interacts with our beliefs about ourselves and the people around us (Check out Nicole Sachs’ podcast at https://audioboom.com/channels/4976835)

[20:30] The Enneagram and what it can tell you about yourself - the feelings wheel and how we sometimes need new language in order to understand ourselves and make ourselves understood to others (check it out at feelingswheel.com)

[30:50] The most impactful takeaways from doing the work and what stuck with Heather the most - understanding codependency, making decisions out of love, extending yourself grace, and more!

[46:02] Doing it out of love or not at all - letting ourselves be motivated by love instead of by fear (see previous episode for more!)

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We have to eat food every day in order to provide our body the nourishment it needs to keep us alive. But have we thought about the emotions we encounter when we provide that nourishment?

Topics include:

[3:56] How do we define health and what is holistic health? Physical health is only one aspect of holistic health, which includes mental, emotional, social, spiritual, and environmental health in addition to our physical bodies.

[6:14] The Weight vs Health Venn diagram (available at www.outofthecave.health/downloads). There are things that can help you reach a weight goal but are not a positive influence on our holistic health and vice versa, but the intersection between these two areas is where the magic happens.

[14:30] Things that contribute to our mental, emotional, spiritual health but not necessarily our physical health may not help us lose weight in an acute way but will absolutely contribute to making weight loss sustainable and healthy because we allow ourselves to have what we want.

[18:47] When we don’t allow certain foods, the brain learns that those things aren’t safe. But even if it doesn’t serve the body (ice cream, cake, doritos, etc), it could be serving a very different but no less vital aspect of our holistic health.

[22:08] Salads and the intersection of the Venn diagram. If you eat a salad because you hate what you look like, you’re taking a very healthy food and creating a very unhealthy experience.

[27:04] Cardio has such an intense association with weight and weight loss. But if we are doing it because we hate our body and want it to change, we will be miserable the entire time and hate ourselves even more during and after it. But by creating an energy of love and appreciation for what our body is capable of doing and the joy of movement, we will be uplifted and energized every time we step off of the treadmill.

[31:40] How we can reclaim our power and healthy behaviors that will serve us by being aware of our mindset.

[39:51] Actions speak louder than words, but energy speaks louder than actions. If we’re looking for true health and sustainability, we need to be mindful of the energy we’re using when we exercise, when we cook, when we order food out, because it impacts our lives in so many unanticipated ways. But how do we know if we’re coming from a place of love or a place of fear?

[45:19] No one else can tell you if your behavior is healthy (coming from a place of love) or not based off of mere observation. Only by being present in the moment and in our bodies can we be aware of our true intentions.

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Lisa and Kate talk about how bringing the unconscious to the conscious realm helped heal their physical body and their relationship to their physical bodies and what it looks like to share this work and additionally, discuss why Kate is rebranding and dropping "Clean" from Kate's Clean Life.

Topics Include:

[2:00] Lisa and Kate remember how they connected through being personal trainers who previously used fear and changing the body as motivation, to a holistic, mind-body approach, and Kate tells her story regarding her chronic pain

[22:00] Kate recalls what it was like to listen to her own intuition when doctors were recommending serious procedures like surgery to deal with her chronic pain issues

[33:00] Noticing your emotional world when we experience set-backs in our relationship with food, body image, chronic  pain, etc.

[40:30] Why Kate is rebranding “Kate’s Clean Life!” (Plus: Attempting to control the uncontrollable nature of our life and gripping to “clean eating,” “clean beauty,” “clean beauty,” etc, etc, while we have a dysregulated emotional system)

[49:00] Kate recalls finding Dr. Sarno’s work and what it means to do the “inner work” to heal the physical body by moving through repressed emotions

[1:06] Gaining health versus losing weight through focusing on love versus fear

Connect with Kate

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Lisa continues the conversation from the last episode and how our internal relationships with ourselves impact our physical relationship with food and our bodies.

Topics Include:

[2:30] A review of Ellyn Satter’s, Division of Responsibility and bringing back humanity around food

[14:00] Integrating and adapting the concept of Division Responsibility with ourselves and our own feelings and behaviors around food and the simple question we should be asking

[36:00] Reparenting our inner child around the purpose of food and addressing emotional issues and feelings with emotional solutions and using food for physical hunger, fuel, and nutrition (for the most part)

[49:30] Tips and suggestions for how to practice this on a very real tangible dimension

[1:09] This week’s “homework”

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Lisa provides information on the “how-to” in moving forward in mind-body alignment, so food, eating, and body-image take up much less time and mental space in your heart and mind.

Topics Include:

[4:30] The self-objectification and neglect of the inner child when dieting

[11:45] Our primal connection to food and eating and it’s link to safety and survival and why we can’t coax, bribe, or trick ourselves into an inauthentic relationship with feeding ourselves

[16:15] How we can change our relationship to food and intuitively seek out nutritious foods in an authentic way

[22:00] The harmful impact of using (especially hyper-palatable) food as a reward or comfort

[35:30] Lisa defines “The Division of Responsibility,” a framework, by dietician, Ellyn Satter, for families to establish a healthy association to food and eating in children and how we can apply it to feeding ourselves

[1:02] Lisa previews next week's episode and gives the listener some action items for your consideration as you prepare for part 2 of this conversation

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Resource:

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https://www.ellynsatterinstitute.org/how-to-feed/the-division-of-responsibility-in-feeding/