Two Pulse nightclub survivors say they’re no longer gay after turning to Christ in the aftermath of the 2016 shooting. Yet in this follow-up to The Roys Report, “Is Change Possible for Gays and Trans?,” Luis Javier Ruiz says, “It’s not a gay to straight thing; it’s a lost to saved thing.” Both Ruiz and survivor Angel Colon tell Julie their gripping story of survival and transformation.

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