The Running for Real Podcast

Angie and Trevor from Marathon Training Academy have really set the gold standard when it comes to running podcasts. I have listened to them for years, and have had the luxury of being on their podcast twice. They are so easy to chat to, and I always end up laughing my way through.

This time was no exception, but through all the laughs, they give lots of great advice, especially for beginner runners hoping to race their first marathon. We talk about everything from what qualifies you as a real runner to what to tell yourself when you are in the starting area of a race to make sure nerves do not overtake you.

We talk about how to make sure running does not become your whole identity, and why we need to stop trying to keep up with people we admire, and instead look into our own lives and what we can do to be our best runner.

Oh, and in case you are wondering, Trevor does have a website, and does love the Tupelo marathon (you will see what I mean when you listen in!)

This is for you if you love to travel and race marathons. Angie and Trevor give lots of suggestions for marathons to try if you are looking for something different, as well as advice for newer runners getting ready for their first marathon.

Angie and Trevor from Marathon Training Academy

The Marathon Training Academy podcast is one of the best known running podcasts out there. I interview the hosts and running celebrities to pick their brains about the best advice for runners they have learned through the seven years they have been hosting the podcast and racing marathons.

• Angie and Trevor's favorite, weirdest, best post race food, toughest marathon
• What makes you a real runner? What do you need to do to qualify as a runner?
• Why putting cues in your environment will help you stay committed
• How to stop running becoming your whole identity
• Why our egos get us in trouble
• How to handle pre race nerves

You can gut your way through a 5k, especially if you are not trying to run the top speed, training for a half marathon is challenging but if you look at the marathon, less than 1% of the population will complete a marathon in their lifetime.- Angie

It's a daunting challenge, it's an epic challenge, but it is one that is within reach to most people, that really makes it unique. - Trevor

There is something to be said about respecting the distance of a marathon. no matter how many you have run, you could go out there one day and run a marathon and it just humbles you, so much could go wrong. -Trevor

If you have run marathons, you have this superpower to the larger population around you. -Trevor

If you do any amount of running and you identify yourself as a runner, you are a runner. There isn't any level you have to attain. -Angie

You are a runner if you decide to be and you begin to form that identity, and then running becomes easier because if you identify as a runner, you are going to be more prone to get your shoes on, lace them up, and go out there, as you want to live in congruency with your identity.- Trevor

Ego gets us in trouble when we take a good thing, like running, and make it into an ultimate thing, so that so much of our self-worth and feelings about ourself is based on that area. It can be crushing if you start to experience setbacks, in your pursuit to reaching that ultimate thing we set for ourselves. -Trevor

Whatever happens during the race, it is still really amazing that you get to be there and so many people wish they could be in that position, gratitude is such a big part of it.- Angie

• Kentucky Derby Marathon
• Marathon Training Academy
• New Orleans Marathon
• Marine Corps Marathon
• Shadow of the Giants 50k
• Tupelo Marathon
• Missoula Marathon
• Indianapolis Monumental Marathon
• Wineglass Marathon
• Facebook live chat on eating before and after races 
• Krispy Kreme Challenge
• Leadville Trail Marathon
• Ego is the Enemy

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Thank you to Trevor and Angie, I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.

The best running tips, marathon training advice, and lessons learned from 2:36 marathon runner Tina Muir. Helping you achieve your running goals and dreams. On this running podcast, you will learn from sports psychologists, nutritionists, scientists, runn

You love learning about mental toughness, mental running tips, and how to mentally prepare for a big race.

I love learning about the mental aspect of running, and therefore, there are going to be a lot of sports psychologists and mental coaches on the Running for Real podcast.

Dr Bhrett McCabe has authored one of my favorite mental training books, and you are going to love this one too.

Dr. McCabe might not be a runner himself, but the running advice he gives us in this podcast is absolute gold.

We talk about why we feel like we are holding ourselves back, why we compare ourselves to others, how our goals often become our identities, and why we shouldn't focus on fixing problems in our running, but instead learn how to focus on mastery.

And of course, how to switch your mindset around each of these.

Dr McCabe, like me, is not a fan of goals, but he suggests we should focus on desires, wants, and visions for ourselves to achieve our potential. Oh, and he does explain exactly how to figure out what you really do want.

We talk about doubts, fears, insecurities, and why they are so damaging to our running (and the rest of our lives), and how we can overcome those to push through the pain barrier in a race.

There is so much good advice in here, I am confident you will want to note this one down as one to go back to over and over again.

This is for you if you struggle with the mental aspect of running and racing. If you have self doubt and struggle with self belief as a runner. Every runner can learn something from this episode, no matter what your running desires and wants are.

Bhrett McCabe

Dr. Bhrett McCabe is a practicing Sports & Performance Psychologist. He recently authored The MindSide Manifesto and has published several academic journal articles, presented numerous scientific presentations, as well as provided insight and authored numerous articles for trade magazines.

• Why we always feel like we fall short of our goals and how we can stop the feeling of inadequacy.
• How to know what it is you really want (and why it is the million dollar question!)
• The difference between fixing problems and constantly growing.
• Why we should see ourselves as a work in progress.
• Training is like investing in yourself, but you are not entitled to a good performance. Get out of that expectations mindset.
• How to stop adding bricks to your backpack.

One of the reasons we feel inadequate when we compare ourselves to others is because we never compare ourselves to areas we have strengths. 

We identify things in other people that are our inherent insecurities

We cannot be content in life, we simply can't, because if we are content, we would never grow, and if we never grow, we stop getting new experiences, and having new, valuable learnings.

A lot of us are afraid to really open up and be honest and be vulnerable to ourselves to say, I want this, I really do. 

We want success all the time, a part of us deep down wants success because we have to have it in order to feel valued by ourselves.

If you don't fully declare it (your manifesto), how do you know if you ever achieved it?

People who have a growth mindset, believe that they are constantly a work in progress, and that is a very powerful and successful mindset to have. Everything I do, is not a determinant of who I am, everything I do is an opportunity to build who I am.

Where we get in trouble is where we take the moments of today and the outcomes of today to prove, to validate our underlying ability.

Expectations are entitlements, they are based on something we have done in the past trying predict something we want to do in the future based on something we usually fear.

Don't should on yourself. Should and must are both ways of telling you that you failed to do something.

Most people run because they love the challenge of themselves.

Most of us are trying harder because we feel like we need to do more, and we don't allow what we are actually doing to work.

"Another fascinating episode of #Running4Real Podcast! Love hearing about the mental side of running" 

• The Mindside Manifesto

Thanks for Listening! I hope you enjoyed today's episode.

To share your thoughts:

• Leave a note in the comment section below.
• Join the Running for Real Facebook Group and share your thoughts on the episode (or future guests you would like to hear from)
• Share this show on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or Pinterest.

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• Leave an honest review on iTunes. Your ratings and reviews will really help me climb up the iTunes rankings and I promise, I read every single one.
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Thank you to Dr. Bhrett, I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.

Nate Helming originally thought of running as a suffer fest (sound familiar?). Years later, after discovering joy in his own running journey, Nate is the co-founder of The Run Experience, and has helped thousands of runners reach their running goals.

You will learn today that Nate is a lot of fun, he has a great attitude, and makes running and strengthening our bodies a way of having fun, rather than a chore we should dread doing.

Taking what he learned from his interest in other sports, including a breakdancing past(!!), Nate looks at runners differently. He believes we have to train like athletes, not just runners. Exercises to strengthen our bodies are the same regardless of what sport we are in. If you learn the correct posture, and how to protect and stabilize your spine, you have a brand new tool set to do everything, so you can adapt it to a variety of sports.

Nate and I discuss why what is safest for the body is always what makes us the most powerful, you should never have to trade your safety to gain strength. He also shares his reasons why he thinks most people end up injured...spoiler alert; it is not because of our running!

We discuss why you should set burpees as punishment to bring your awareness to bad posture you might have throughout your workday, and how to breathe correctly while running.

This is for you if you want to be able to run and enjoy the outdoors and remain injury-free. Nate has helped athletes finish their first races, conquer new distances, overcome pre-existing injuries, set new PRs, reach the podium, and qualify for national and world level events.

Nate Helming

Co-founder of The Run Experience, a community to help runners train better, race better, and be better. Nate is based in San Francisco and in addition to coaching runners, he trains Olympic level cyclists, professional triathletes, elite mountain bikers, and national-level ultra runners on strength and mobility.

• How he accidentally signed up for an ultra as his second marathon and became an accidental triathlete.
• Why becoming a runner is good thing, but it can be limiting, as we do not want to risk injuries
• How to undo the effects of sitting all day
• Why if you are busy and feeling a little overwhelmed, going from 0 to 15-30 mins is very powerful
• Squats, pushups, lunges and burpees

We have treated our business like training for a race, you have to dream for not the impossible, but the edge of what you think you can do, and plan how to get there.

Running is this vehicle we use for physical training, to make ourselves better physically, for a social outlet, to have a shared experience with people online...and it pushes us mentally.

Running takes us to places we don't think we can go

For me, running is the ultimate expression of being an athlete. How my body moves in general.

Running is a gateway drug to being an athlete.

The first time I felt like an athlete, was when I called myself a runner. That is such a powerful Identity.

I am a runner, I can do more.

You need to run a lot to be a good runner, you can't burpee your way to a BQ.

High mileage is a privilege you have to earn, it's not a right.

What’s safe is always whats most powerful, I never have to trade.

We need to give ourselves a transition from our work, sleep, mornings and our runs.

We are giving runners a place to explore their athletic side and develop their inner athlete.

If you don't strava the run, did the run happen?

Our body is a precision machine, and it is going to precisely do what we tell it to do all day long. If we want to change the outputs we care about like running and performance, we need to change the inputs, what we tell it to do on all those other moments.

• Video of Nate Breakdancing (go to 3:08 to see Nate)
• Boston marathon
• Two Oceans Marathon
• Dr Kyle Bowling
• Being an athlete vs a skinny runner 
• The Oxygen Advantage book from Patrick McKeown
• Couch Stretch
• The Run Experience for Running for Real fans
• The Run Experience App

Thanks for Listening! I hope you enjoyed today's episode.

Neely Spence-Gracey has been a friend of mine for almost 10 years, and I knew she would make a great guest on the show, as she is always very inspiring for runners of every level. If you don't believe me, just check out her HUGE fan base!

Neely was born while her dad was running the Boston marathon (who was an Olympian by the way!), which means it was her destiny to end up as a runner. She has achieved a lot of running success over the years, including 8 national titles during college, and running some smoking fast times in distances from the mile up to the marathon, but she has also been through her fair share of struggles.

A few years ago, Neely could not catch a break, she shares her story of three broken bones and Lymes disease all within a few years, but she persevered, and stayed positive during the eight months it took for her fitness to come back. For that, she was rewarded and ended up faster than ever.

Neely shares the story of that time, as well as what she learned about injuries and seeking answers when the unknown is driving you crazy. Strength training has been a huge part of staying healthy since that time (now, you know I am a fan of that part), and you can make it part of your routine too.

We talk about how Neely uses mantras during her training, and what she learned about reframing to believe that you can achieve what you set out to do. She is another run by feel girl (go effort scale!) and lets her body tell her what she is ready for that day.

If you are currently injured and struggling to see how you will ever get back to where you were, this episode will motivate you to stay positive, find balance, and believe that you can, and will return, better than ever.

Neely Spence-Gracey is a professional runner for Adidas who has represented the USA on two world teams, and has PRs of 15:27 in the 5k, 1:09 in the half marathon, and 2:34 in the marathon.

You might think life is easy for elite runners, but Neely has been through a lot of setbacks, struggles, and moments of doubt that led her to this point. If you need inspiration that you can come back from injury, this is it.

• Why Neely chose to go to Shippensberg University and keep her dad as her coach.
• Why Neely gets strange looks when she is doing her pool workouts (and it's not from the workout!)
• How the ElliptiGO turned her life around and helped her qualify for a world team when she was injured by helping her get through a tough time.
• Neelys best advice for dealing with injuries
• How to use mantras to practice mental training during workouts to use in races, and how to come up with a mantra that is effective for you
• Why strength training is critical to maximizing recovery and staying healthy
• Why Neely did not race Boston marathon this year

Neely's #R4RPowerPose

Running has been a part of my life, and I was destined for this career path.

The struggles along the way have shaped and defined who I am.

How we are going to be most successful is if we are happy and in a place we feel supported, we have a team we work well with, that there is a good group dynamic, and we have a coach we can really trust to guide us, that’s how we are going to be the best and maximize ourselves.

Where you feel at home is where you are going to run the best.

Running is a brutal sport. It is amazing when things are going great, but it is horrible when things aren’t going well, and it impacts every aspect of our lives.

That is the hardest part about being injured, is that it is so isolating. You are already upset because you can't run and I am a social runner, so that was my social time...all these things that used to be such a positive part of my life are just taken from me.

With each injury, I learned more about myself.

The body will heal itself, but you have to give it the ability and opportunity to do it.

We get faster by stressing the system in different ways, it is the same with strength training, you can't do the same thing over and over.

At some point during a race, every single person is going to have that moment of decision, of where you have to keep pushing even though your body is saying stop. You are tired, you still have a long way to go, and you have to find a way to work through that and make it to the finish line.

If you practice mantras in workouts, you can apply them to races and you will see success.

If you live a life where you feel like you are lucky and things happen to you, they do, and its all because your outlook on life is not putting energy into the negative sides.

We all have good days and we all have bad days, but if you are focusing on the positives, things are always going to look so much better.

Focusing on what you can control is the key.

Injuries are never ideal, but when something flares up, being smart from the get-go is key, because pushing through never results in a positive outcome.

• Neely's website
• Neely's Twitter
• Neely's Instagram
• ElliptiGO
• Upstart Kombucha
• Irondoggy leash
• Kentucky Kombucha
• Neely and her coffee taper
• Coffee Taper video with Chris Heuisler

Thanks for Listening! I hope you enjoyed today's episode.

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