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  • 5 Simple Things Top Producers Do That Average Sellers Hate! | Andrew Barbuto - 1912

    If you’re struggling to make it as a seller, you may be unknowingly doing things that a top performer would never do.  To help you figure out what you may be doing wrong, I’m going back to episode 1831 with my chat with Andrew Barbuto, a seasoned sales professional and author. He shares five things that top-performing sellers always do to help them succeed in finding clients and closing deals. 

    Andrew Barbuto’s Background

    • Andrew Barbuto is an accomplished sales professional and author with a deep understanding of the intricacies of top-performing sales strategies. 
    • He shares his sales methodologies in his insightful book, “Top Sales Producer: How To Crush Your Sales Quota.” 
    • Andrew’s commitment to excellence in sales makes him a valuable resource for anyone aspiring to elevate their sales performance and effectively manage their client interactions.

    Key Practices of Top Performers

    • Andrew shares the five things that top performers do differently than average performers. 

    1. Time Management: Top performers allocate their time to maximize revenue-generating activities. Start early on your work tasks and focus only on the ones that bring in money. Also, don’t forget to put the phone down to help avoid distractions.

    2. Research: You may find researching on a specific client to be long and boring, but it’s one of the most important tasks top performers do. Andrew explains that rather than adopting a broad approach, successful sellers conduct targeted research to identify and connect with the right prospects. 

    3. Meeting Preparation: You can avoid generic questions and tailor conversations to address specific needs by coming to a meeting prepared. This is why it’s important to research a prospect before contacting them. 

    4. Prospecting Activities: Andrew recommends employing a multi-channel approach with at least seven touch points, including phone calls, emails, and LinkedIn messages. This persistence helps in turning cold prospects into warm leads.

    5. Leveraging CRM: Creating detailed notes will allow you to maintain contact with prospects and provide personalized value to each one of them. You can do this by using a CRM system to help strengthen your client relationships.

     “Top producers typically will try to allocate as much time as they possibly can to revenue-generating activities.” – Andrew Barbuto.

    Resources

    Learn more sales tips from Andrew from his book,

    “Top Sales Producer: How To Crush Your Sales Quota.”

    Follow Andrew on LinkedIn and YouTube.  Download Andrew’s cold outreach strategy to book more clients.  If you like more guidance with improving your sales skills, join my Sales Mastermind Class.

    Thinking about starting a podcast yourself? Learn more about Blue Mango Studios. 

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2.   This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3.   This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.

    31 min
  • 80% of Prospect Wouldn’t Share Their Email — Until This Changed | Dan Novaes - 1911

    You have thousands of prospects coming to your website daily, yet 80% of them don’t even sign up for your newsletter. What can you do to turn this around?

    My guest, Dan Novaes, the founder and CEO of Mode Mobile, is here to tell you how in this quick chat. His advice will make your prospects give away their emails as soon as they click on your website.

    Meet Dan Novaes

    • Dan Novaes is the CEO of Mode Mobile and creator of the EarnPhone. Mode Mobile is revolutionizing the mobile industry with its “Earn As You Go” software, enabling millions of users to turn daily smartphone habits into passive income.
    • Under Dan’s leadership, Mode Mobile achieved 32,481% revenue growth (2019–2022), earned the #1 spot in software on Deloitte's2023 Technology Fast 500 List, and pioneered a fundraising model leveraging 30,000+ everyday investors. Now, they’re on a mission to reach1 million shareholders while tackling a $1 trillion market opportunity.

    Turning Around Investor Page Troubles

    • Even though his company’s landing page was doing well, he saw that his investor page was struggling to retain prospects. Dan provides the steps he and his team took to make the changes.
    • Knowing that he doesn’t really know what’s going on in a prospect's world when they’re looking at the page, he decided it would be best to send reminders to entice their return. 
    • He also found that offering an incentive for returning entices prospects even more.
    • Dan achieved a 600% return by applying this method to his marketing efforts. He spent $ 15,000 to start the efforts, and in a short period, he ended up with a $ 750,000 return.

    The Most Important Components

    • While conducting the marketing research, he discovered that certain components were most effective in achieving his goals.
    • One was targeting the older demographics aged 55 and above. He found that boomers were more receptive than the younger generation. 
    • He also found that it is important to put a name to the face within the email. 
    • The last component Dan shares is how truly important copywriting is, even in this AI-driven world we live in today. 

    “People don’t invest enough in copywriting. The message has to hit just right. You don’t want to just have AI write generate copy.” - Dan Novaes.  

    Resources

    Want to learn more about Dan? Visit Invest.ModeMobile.com 

    Consider using these resources for your marketing efforts: Retention and Beehiiv. If you like more guidance with improving your sales skills, join my Sales Mastermind Class. Thinking about starting a podcast yourself? Learn more about Blue Mango Studios. 

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2.  This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3.  This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.

    29 min
  • Three Things Every BDR Must Master When Doing Cold Calls | Tanner Stewart - 1910

    No matter what you’re doing right now, cold outreach should be a part of your game. I’m returning to episode 1605 with Tanner Stewart, Sr. BDR Manager at Activated Insights, where he shares three tips on how to handle every single cold call. 

    Meet Tanner Stewart

    • At the time of the interview, Tanner was an account executive at Home Care Plus. Previously, he worked as a BDR with the same company for approximately two years. In these roles, he gained experience in conducting cold outreach every day. Now he is a Sr. BDR Manager with a new company, Activated Insights. 

    The Biggest Challenge Sellers Face When It Comes

    To Cold Outreach

    • Tanner shares how most sellers don’t know which prospects they should call in the first place to close a deal. 
    • He shares that if you’re calling hundreds of the wrong people every day, you’ll have little success. 
    • It’s best to focus on the right people and the right message to reach your goals.

    3 Things Every BDR Must Master When Doing Cold Calls

    1. Be a human, treat your prospects like humans.

    ·  Be genuinely interested in your prospects. If they ask you how you are, be genuine and vulnerable. This helps them bring their guard down. 

    ·  Instead of starting a call by saying, “Here’s what we are doing and how we can help you with,” start with, “I’ve been talking to some folks, and here are trends I am seeing in the industry. Are you seeing this as well?”

    ·  Be present when making calls, and when they do answer, don’t be afraid of the interaction or being genuine.

    2.  Product selling vs. solution selling

    ·  Avoid the temptation to dive deep into your product. It’s not bad to want to give them information about your product, but think about relating what you tell them back to what they have told you about their challenges. Take the time to genuinely care about the prospect and alleviate their pain points.

    3.  Ask questions and know when to ask them

    ·  Instead of diving into your product, ask them a question. You can ask them if what they are doing is working for them.

    ·  Little follow-up questions help you dig deeper. A great question is, “Can you tell me a little more about that?”

    ·  Once you’ve booked the demo, don’t be afraid to ask a few more questions to figure out what they are hoping for.

    “Don’t be afraid to be yourself. As scary as someone’s title may be, deep down, they are also human. Be yourself and enjoy it!” - Tanner Stewart. 

    Resources

    Follow Tanner on LinkedIn. If you like more guidance with improving your sales skills, join my Sales Mastermind Class. Thinking about starting a podcast yourself? Learn more about Blue Mango Studios. 

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2.  This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3.  This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.

    29 min
  • Three Things BDRs Get Wrong When Structuring Their Day | Will Padilla - 1909

    Sometimes, all it takes to have a strong pipeline is having a well-organized routine. Since it’s summer, you may be getting a bit hectic and find it hard to do this.

    I’m going back to episode 1600 with my guest, William Padilla, Mid-Market Account Executive, who shares how he structures his day to reach his goals. His advice will help you understand how being well-organized can be impactful to your work.  

    Meet Will Padilla

    • During the interview, Will shared how he started as a regular sales guy with the tech company, GRIN. He went on to become a top-performing sales agent and an account executive for the company within two years. Now, he is a mid-market account executive for the company, Aspire.  

    Planning And Prepping Your Day

    • Don’t go into your day winging what you plan to do. For example, Will realized he was too distracted and hit his metrics only by scrambling on a Friday afternoon.
    • He decided to structure his day, achieving all his late-stage interactions in the morning to reserve his afternoons entirely for prospecting.

    Adapting Your Approach For More Clients

    • BDR roles are fairly science-based because they focus on meeting metrics and quotas. When Will needed to book eight demos per month, he quickly realized that not every cold call was a qualified demo. He would ensure that at least four cold calls were set up each week with qualified leads. 
    • Whatever demo number you need to hit, book double to ensure enough opportunities to reach your quota. Implement the 5×5 rule – don’t log off for the day unless you have five new companies to prospect and five contacts within each company.

    Be Like Batman And Robin: Work With Your AE

    • As a BDR, understand that your account executive is your teammate. So sometimes, it helps to be friends. 
    • By establishing a working relationship with your Account Executive (AE), you increase the likelihood of both of you succeeding, as your success largely depends on one another.

    “I wouldn’t say I’m more talented than the next seller; I’m just more structured.” - Will Padilla. 

    Resources

    Follow Will on LinkedIn and TikTok. If you like more guidance with improving your sales skills, join my Sales Mastermind Class. Thinking about starting a podcast yourself? Learn more about Blue Mango Studios. 

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2.  This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3.  This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.

    32 min
  • Apple’s New Call Screening Is Cold Calling’s Worst Nightmare | Donald Kelly - 1908

    t seems like every time you turn around, cold calling is being painted as the worst thing a seller can do. Now, Apple has created a new feature that's making this sales method even worse. Luckily, in this episode, I'm going to provide you with some ways to handle this situation and still close deals through cold calling.

    iOS 26: Call Screening

    • If you remember from the last episode, I told you what we'd be discussing today: Apple's newest feature, iOS 26: Call Screening.
    • It's a feature that lets you ignore unwanted calls from numbers you don't know. Call Screening essentially helps you decide if a call is actually worth answering or if it's just an annoying telemarketer. 
    • The trick is that call screening lets you answer unknown callers in the background. Once they share their name and reason for calling, it appears on your screen. You can then decide whether to answer or ignore it.

    Apple’s New Feature Is Not Going To Stop Cold Calling

    • You might think this new feature will prevent you from hitting your quota, but honestly, I believe it will actually help sellers. 
    • With the rise of social media, we found a way to still reach out and connect with our prospects. 
    • We just have to evolve and figure out how to do it with Apple’s new feature. Just like with social media, we can adapt to this, too.

    How Will Most Sellers Feel About This Change?

    • Here’s what I believe most sellers will do because of this change:
    • Keep doing the same tasks they've been doing
    • Start feeling down because no one is picking up
    • Put more effort into cold calling to ensure they reach their quotaTake advantage of AI tools
    • I also believe that there will be a group of people who simply adjust to the changes. They might start doing parallel dialing, where they make three to four calls at the exact same time. Whenever one of them picks up, a seller will take that call.

    What Should Sellers Be Doing?

    • Instead of taking the steps mentioned previously, try these instead:
    • Be relevant:
    • Remember, call screening will allow you to talk to an AI tool. Think outside the box on how you can connect with prospects on a personal level during this moment.
    • Try to be funny:
    • I recently played a short clip demonstrating how creative sellers used to be during the days of collect calls. My point is to be witty or make a joke that will make your prospect want to pick up the phone.
    • Use a point of reference:
    • Make the prospect feel as though they already know you. Try using LinkedIn to connect with them before you do cold outreach. But keep in mind, don't become another spammer. Look for ways to get engagement from others and be smart about your connection requests.
    • The keyword is relevance. Try to be as relevant as possible to prospects during cold outreach, and I promise you that you will still be able to close deals despite any new changes coming out. 

    "Human beings are like water. We’re going to find a way to get through or around a problem and come back another way. The way we go about Apple’s new feature has to evolve." - Donald Kelly. 

    Resources

    If you like more guidance with improving your sales skills, join my Sales Mastermind Class. Thinking about starting a podcast yourself? Learn more about Blue Mango Studios. 

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2.  This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.

    26 min
  • Cold Calling's Not Dead...It's Just Harder! | Gabe Lullo - 1907

    No matter what anyone says, cold calling isn’t dead. The digital world just made it harder than it used to be.

    This is why I’m revisiting episode 1730 with my guest, Gabe Lullo.  He shares his expertise and insights on cold calling and sales strategies in this ever-evolving landscape. 

    Is Cold Calling Dead?

    • Addressing the prevalent debate, Gabe firmly asserts that cold calling is far from dead.
    • Supported by data and real-life experience, he emphasizes the effectiveness of cold calling in qualification, call-to-action, and appointment setting, debunking the myths surrounding its relevance in the current sales environment.

    Modern Sales Approach

    • Gabe stresses the importance of an omnichannel approach, integrating call, email, and social platforms to establish meaningful and relevant connections with prospects. 
    • He emphasizes the need for high-volume activity paired with a relevant message, highlighting the power of personalization and the human touch in driving engagement.

    Strategies for Relevant Messaging

    • Gabe delves into the nuances of crafting relevant messaging, emphasizing the importance of relevance over mere personalization. 
    • He shares insights on identifying and leveraging data providers to tailor messages according to the prospects’ specific verticals and ICPs, and the significance of using technology for optimizing communication channels.

    The Role of Human Touch and Empathy

    • We explore how human touch, empathy, and personalized, relevant communication set sales professionals apart in the current market. 
    • Gabe emphasizes the need to sound like a human, not an AI bot, illustrating how to engage prospects effectively and foster genuine connections.

    Optimizing Sequencing

    • Gabe challenges the traditional sequence approach, advocating for a burst of activities across multiple channels rather than drawn-out, segmented sequences. 
    • He highlights the significance of engagement and conversation to drive effective communication, emphasizing the need to adapt and modernize sales strategies.

    Mastering the Cold Call

    • Gabe shares valuable insights into mastering the art of cold calling, stressing the need for extensive training and knowledge of objection handling. 
    • Understanding and anticipating objections empowers sales professionals to navigate conversations effectively and win at cold calling.

    "Relevance matters more now. That human touch is what sets individuals apart from the low-hanging fruit." - Gabe Lullo.

    Resources

    Connect with Gabe on LinkedIn.

    If you like more guidance with improving your sales skills, join my Sales Mastermind Class.

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2.  This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3.  This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.

    28 min
  • How I Get Prospects to Show Up, Even When They Want to Ghost Me | Steven Schneider - 1906

    I hope you enjoyed my funny intro, because it would be nice if you could call on Ghostbusters when prospects decide not to follow up with you. In the last few episodes, we've focused on strategies to ensure prospects attend scheduled meetings. 

    I'm exploring this topic more with my guest, Steven Schneider, CEO & Co-founder of TrioSEO. He shares what he and his team are doing to keep clients from ghosting appointments.

    Meet Steven Schneide

    • Steven Schneider collaborated with two fellow sales experts to help scale multiple businesses into 6- to 8-figure enterprises by optimizing their SEO keywords on their websites.
    • Even though he runs a multimillion-dollar SEO agency, he still struggles with clients who frequently fail to show up for appointments. He's sharing tactics that you can use in your sales approach.

    How His Company Handles Ghosting Prospects

    • No matter how much you prepare for the follow-up or how many reminders you send, sometimes prospects simply don't show up for the meeting. 
    • I asked Steven how his team is handling this common sales problem. He says that people often ghost sellers because they're actually too busy to respond, or they're shopping around to find the right product.
    • Steven shares that he keeps this in mind and realizes that he is low on their priority list.
    • So, he tackles their pain points and dives deep into them to show prospects why they need his assistance or product.
    • He also shares how he views each client as a unique case study if they're not following up. He goes to their website, sees why their traffic has dipped, and sends a screenshot of it. 
    • Then, he shares his follow-up proposal with the prospect again. This is how he digs into the pain point and shows why working with him is valuable. Often, ghosting prospects will follow up with him after he sends this email.

    During the Follow-Up Meeting

    • After he successfully gets a ghosting prospect to attend the meeting, he begins by asking questions to help them uncover what they already know. 
    • Then, he shows them the website mistakes that are causing them to lose potential leads and money.
    • It's a strategy that works so well for him that he's able to close deals right then and there.

    Handling First-Time Leads with No Prior Contact

    • Steven has a unique method to help keep first-time leads, who are in the very beginning stages of the sales funnel, from ghosting. 
    • He shares how his website provides a contact form with questions to filter out whether prospects are a good fit for his company's services. This lets him know who is serious and who isn't.
    • Once they’re able to schedule a meeting, he sends an email sharing a little warning of why they must not forget to attend it. 

    How Individual Sellers Can Help

    • The first two examples focus on collaboration between the marketing and sales departments to tackle ghosting clients. But what can an individual seller do to help?
    • Steven suggests it's a good idea to share a case study to illustrate what success will look like if prospects attend the meeting. He recommends including this in follow-up emails to confirm appointments and demonstrate the value of the service.

    “Treat every client as a unique case study to learn something new.” - Steven Schneider. 

    Resources

    Connect with Steven on LinkedIn.

    Learn more about TrioSEO here.

    https://trioseo.com/b2b-seo-services/

    https://trioseo.com/

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.

    28 min
  • You’re Closing Too Late, Here’s How to Fix It! | Benjamin Dennehy - 1905

    You have a discovery call with a prospect, and they seem interested in your product—until it's time to follow up. After three attempts, you finally get the message: you waited too long to close the deal.

    What can you do differently to prevent this from happening again? Listen to my chat with Benjamin Dennehy, who explains why sellers often get stuck in a "matrix" and how it prevents them from closing deals at the right time.

    Meet Benjamin Dennehy

    • Meet Benjamin Dennehy, known as the UK’s most hated salesperson, all thanks to his amazing marketing campaign. 
    • He shares how sellers often make the mistake of closing when prospective buyers are expecting them to. 
    • Don’t forget that you’re the one with all the power when it comes to choosing the right time to close a deal.

    The Sales Matrix: Closing At The Wrong Place

    • When first starting in the industry, Benjamin discovered that most sellers live in a system they don’t realize they’re part of. This is another reason why sellers tend to close deals at the wrong time.
    • There are also two systems when sellers are out in the field: the buyer's system and the seller’s system. The problem arises when these two systems intertwine, making the buyer appear as the winner.
    • Due to conditioning, buyers are aware that if they say no to a seller, the seller won't stop. So, they think of other ways to try to keep sellers from continuing without actually saying no. 
    • Benjamin delves into the list of reasons why prospective buyers give objections or deceive sellers to prevent a deal from moving forward. I'm sure you’ve heard plenty of these!
    • He also explains how the matrix is designed to prevent sellers from exerting control in closing deals, and how their buying habits lead them to sympathize with prospective buyers when they express their objections.

    How to Get Out of the Sales Matrix

    • To get out of the sales matrix, Benjamin shares that sellers must start closing at the beginning of the first meeting. When you try to close at the end, you give the buyer complete control over what happens next.
    • At the start of the meeting, Benjamin does three things to get a prospect to say no:
    • Get permission from them to say no. If they believe the product is of no use, then there's no point in continuing the conversation. This will also let you know if the person you're speaking to is the decision-maker.
    • When speaking with the CEO, he asks a series of questions to determine if he can actually assist their company with their problem. If there's no "no" in these answers, then he moves on to the third step. 
    • This is when he'll discuss how they can move forward together to close a deal.
    • The method works because if prospects aren't logically saying no, then they have to agree to move forward.

    “We've been told a lie that the person with all the money has the power. But in reality, money only has power when someone wants it.” - Benjamin Dennehy. 

    Resources

    Follow Benjamin on LinkedIn, YouTube, and Instagram. Don't forget to DM the code TSE for a link to his two free courses. You can also learn more about him on his website.

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.

    38 min
  • From Cold to Connected: Why Great Sellers Build Audiences First | Benjamin Douablin - 1904

    Did you know that having an engaged audience on LinkedIn can help you build your pipeline? Of course, you probably have no clue how to do this, but that's why I invited my guest, Benjamin Douablin, to the podcast. He's going to show you why this technique works for sellers and how to get started with building an audience on LinkedIn.

    Meet Benjamin Douablin

    • Benjamin Douablin is the Co-Founder and CEO of FullEnrich, a company dedicated to enriching professional emails and mobile phone numbers for diverse teams. 
    • With a rich background in business development, sales management, and entrepreneurship, Benjamin has cultivated a strong expertise in sales and digital transformation. 
    • He previously founded Salesramp and served as a Sales and Partnership Manager at Jellyfish, where he honed his skills in driving growth and building strategic alliances.
    • Benjamin's academic journey includes studies at the London School of Business and Finance (LSBF), and his earlier career in the military reflects his resilience, leadership, and adaptability.

    Leaders Helping Sellers Build LinkedIn Presence

    • Benjamin shares how his company helps their sellers build a social media presence on LinkedIn. The leaders identify different individuals within the company, beginning with those who actively use the product, and encourage them to discuss it on LinkedIn. This strategy helped them capture the attention of their ideal customer profile (ICP).
    • Subsequently, they work with their top sellers, assisting them in developing content creation skills. This empowers the sellers to share their daily lives and experiences with the product on social media.

    Tracking Seller Success on LinkedIn

    • It's relatively straightforward to track the success rates of cold calls for a sales team. However, measuring the effectiveness of video content on LinkedIn for each individual can be more challenging.
    • Benjamin suggests that sales leaders should ensure their sellers are publishing content at least three times a week. This frequency is sufficient to guarantee content is being pushed out for engagement.
    • It also allows you to identify what content is resonating and what isn't. The marketing director can then provide feedback to the sales team on their content creation efforts and offer support if they are struggling.

    Small Engagement Is Better Than Millions of Followers

    • When you're starting out, you might feel discouraged by only having one or two people engaging with your posts. Remember, not everyone can be Joe Rogan.
    • Benjamin agrees that it's more valuable to have a smaller number of followers who actively engage with and appreciate your content than to have a million followers who simply ignore you. 
    • Give yourself grace and time; eventually, you'll be able to build a significant following on LinkedIn.

    “You need to go slow to start feeling comfortable to publish content.” - Benjamin Douablin.

    Resources

    Reach out to Benjamin on LinkedIn. Visit FullEnrich to learn more about his company. 

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    2.  This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    3.  This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.

    29 min
  • Why Your Prospects Ghost You - And How to Fix It | Alisha Conlin-Hurd - 1903

    Every time the marketing team sends you a new lead, they end up not showing up. Why do they keep sending prospects who won't even come to a meeting? When will they ever do their job right?

    Maybe we just need to help them out a bit. Join me in this episode with Alisha Conlin-Hurd, marketing and sales expert, where she shows us how to work with the marketing team to get the right leads to book appointments.

    Meet Alisha Conlin-Hurd

    • Alisha Conlin-Hurd is the Founder of Persuasion Experience, a 7-figure marketing agency helping 7- and 8-figure businesses turn paid ads into predictable lead machines.
    • She’s launched over 600+ funnels across 120 niches, generating tens of millions in client revenue. 
    • Her proprietary frameworks—DNA Blueprint Method™ and Endless Leads Framework™—have helped countless businesses double their revenue in under 90 days. Alisha now runs her business remotely while traveling the world full-time.

    Why Do No Shows Happen?

    • I've listed several reasons why prospects often ghost us:
    • Not showing enough value
    • Creating bad content
    • Forgetting to remind them
    • And you know what? Alisha agrees with me. She shares that if prospects don't see the value in showing up, they simply won't. If we show them "what's in it for them" from the beginning, they'll be ready for the call. People show up for what they care about.

    Prepping The Call Before Prospects Come

    • To get prospects excited about the sales call, Alisha says it starts with the marketing department doing these three steps:
    • Building A Strong Landing Page: This is where you get lead magnets, and it must show authority, strong messaging, and uniqueness. She provides an example of how to establish authority through social proof.
    • Touch Points During Becoming A Lead: This is when a lead clicks on the lead magnet to book an appointment. Alisha says there should be a series of questions that qualify and disqualify prospects. If they qualify, that's when they should be able to see the calendar; however, there's a stipulation.
    • Making Sure They Show Up: Following up should happen between one and three days after a prospect books an appointment. Alisha says that marketing and sales should work together to ensure they attend the meeting.

    “The best time to get somebody to do an action is when they just did one.” - Alisha Conlin-Hurd.

    Resources

    Follow Alisha on these social media platforms: YouTube, Instagram, and LinkedIn. 

    Sponsorship Offers

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.

    With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.

    Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.

    1. This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.

    Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.

    Credits

    As one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey. We’d love for you to join us for our next episodes by tuning in on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Stitcher, or Spotify. Audio provided by Free SFX, Soundstripe, and Bensound. Other songs used in the episodes are as follows: The Organ Grinder written by Bradley Jay Hill, performed by Bright Seed, and Produced by Brightseed and Hill.

    35 min

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I believe in doing BIG THINGS! You should be earning 6 figures easily as a sales rep. But chances are you are not...yet! Sales is the most important department in every company but many sellers are never taught how to effectively sell, much less how to earn their way to high-income status. My own career limped along until a company I worked for invested in sales training to help me succeed. Immediately afterward, I closed a deal worth 4X what the company spent on me and saw hockey-stick improvement in my performance. So I started a podcast to “Evangelize” what was working.

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