Betches co-founder, podcast host and Taylor Swift expert Sami Sage (@sami) joins Gibson to discuss all things Taylor Swift. They look at the big picture of what it means to be a Taylor Swift fan in 2023, share their takes on the Travis Kelce of it all, the rollout of "1989 (Taylor's Version)," ponder what led to the apex in popularity she's reached this year and reveal some of their predictions for what Taylor might have planned for the future.

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