You've heard a lot about Puerto Rico lately--what a time to talk our friend Carlos Rodriguez (founder of the Happy Givers NGO and Author of Drop the Stones), on his final ministry trip to America! The gloves are off, the inhibitions are down, and the fire is falling. In this barnburner of a conversation, Carlos and Jonathan explore their parallel journeys within the Pentecostal/charismatic church, to whatever it is they are doing now--how they have grown and shifted theologically, and what it means to go from being the young upstarts, to the generational shift of becoming "elders" themselves.

This is our deepest dive conversation yet into the horrors unfolding in Gaza (from Carlos' unique perspective as a Puerto Rican living in a colony), as they talk about how to support Palestinian Christians/Palestinians in general--while taking seriously the fact that both Jewish and Palestinian people exist on the margins in America. Carlos and Jonathan talk about the narrative of who is most oppressed shifts as the world evolves and changes, and how Christians must shift accordingly. Provocatively in this election season, they talk about how America's choice for President effects some of our friends domestically in profound ways...while the policy options the candidates represent may not appear all that different to some of our friends internationally. This conversation is wide open, unfiltered, and most of all, an undomesticated invitation to follow the Spirit out of a world driven by profit, into community and human connection!