An interview with former tribal state representative Donna Loring, who is also a former police chief, an author, and a radio host. We talk about the history of relations between the Maine government and the Wabanaki tribes, and the frustrations which led to the historic walkout of several tribal representatives earlier this year. We revisit the Maine Wabanaki State Child Welfare Truth and Reconciliation Commission, who have now released the findings of their multi-year statement gathering process, and discuss their conclusions within the context of ongoing state-tribe relations.