Tim Reitsma is joined by Ruth Penfold, Founder of Pancakes and Peacocks—a people and culture organization that partners with startups and corporations to help create space for leaders and teams to thrive. Ruth has spent the past two decades building and rebuilding teams with organizations including Shazam, Onfido, and bp Launchpad. Listen to learn how the way we work isn't working, how we can build something better, and to learn Ruth’s golden rules for innovation leadership.

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