Chris has been a carpenter for nearly 40 years. Gavin was his apprentice 20 years ago. They fell out over a job in Nottingham, didn't speak for a year, and have been close ever since. Now Gavin is teaching Chris things, and Chris is finding out that learning the new way is harder than it looks. In this episode, the roles are reversed. The master and apprentice sit down together to talk through 40 years of change in carpentry, from Yankee screwdrivers and hand-sharpened saws to palm routers and cordless everything. Chris began his apprenticeship in 1987, when tradespeople spent Friday afternoons sharpening their own saw teeth. Gavin walked in 15 years later and learned a completely different trade.
Both of them are now navigating the same industry, just from opposite ends. Chris also ran his carpentry business while working as an on-call and then full-time firefighter for years, balancing jobs, apprenticeships and callouts at the same time. They get into how that worked, why he finally went limited, and what it looked like managing a team from the fire station. They also cover tool theft, why sign-written vans might actually be safer than blank ones, Smart Water DNA marking, and why Chris has only just taken out tool insurance for the first time after nearly four decades in the trade. Plus, the story of a customer who rang Chris, threatening to call the police because 37,000 people had been "through her house" on YouTube.