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  • CO-HOST | Make Money by Getting Off the Screen and Back to the Real World

    In this episode, Travis and producer Eric take a closer look at the growing appeal of physical experiences in an increasingly digital world. They discuss the resurgence of bookstores, the value of owning physical books and keeping a journal, and why stepping away from screens can create more meaningful memories and better habits. They also explore the tension between consuming and creating, and how intentionally unplugging can help you become more present.

    On this episode we talk about:

    • Why physical products and offline experiences are making a comeback

    • The resurgence of bookstores and what the latest reading trends actually show

    • How journaling can help you remember your life and recognize recurring patterns

    • The benefits of using libraries, physical books, and audiobooks

    • Why spending more time creating than consuming can lead to a better life

    • Top 3 Takeaways

      1. Give yourself permission to be imperfect. Journaling doesn't need to be organized, aesthetically pleasing, or perfectly consistent to be useful. The value comes from capturing your thoughts and experiences so you can learn from them later.

      2. Pay attention to recurring patterns. Looking back through old journals can reveal problems, questions, and areas of your life that you've remained stuck in for years. Those patterns can point you toward what you need to address or learn more about.

      3. Create more than you consume. Constant scrolling can leave you consuming huge amounts of content without remembering much of it. Intentionally putting your phone away and prioritizing writing, reading, and real-world experiences can help you become more present and productive.

      4. Notable Quotes

        • "The only thing that's consistent is on the top I put pages read."

        • "It's been helpful for me to look through."

        • "If I spend more time creating than consuming, my life will probably look a little bit better."

        • Connect with Travis Chappell:

          • Instagram: @travischappell 

          • Other: travischappell.com

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            23 min
          • INTERVIEW | Make Money by Building a Career That AI Can't Define for You with Abhijit Bhaduri

            Abhijit Bhaduri is a talent and learning expert who has spent more than two decades helping organizations develop people and navigate a rapidly changing world of work. As Microsoft's former global head of learning and development, he helped shape talent strategy for 230,000 employees, and he previously served as Wipro's first chief learning officer. A prolific writer and author of books including Dreamers and Unicorns and Career 3.0, Abhijit's latest book, A Identity, explores how AI is changing our work identity and what it takes to build a fulfilling career in an AI-driven world.

            On this episode we talk about:

            • How Abhijit learned to make money as a teenager through radio, writing, and competitions

            • Why having a personal "board of directors" can be more valuable than relying on a single mentor

            • How to attract great mentors by doing your research and coming prepared with specific questions

            • Abhijit's experience leading learning and development at Microsoft during the rise of AI

            • Why your career needs more than money, including meaning, belonging, mastery, predictability, and status

            • Top 3 Takeaways

              1. Build a board of mentors. Instead of relying on one person for every type of advice, develop relationships with several people who bring different expertise and perspectives to your career.

              2. Make mentorship valuable for both sides. The best mentees do their research, arrive prepared, and have a specific question or problem they want help solving. A mentor can then help reframe the problem rather than simply telling you what decision to make.

              3. Don't treat work like a vending machine. Money matters, but a fulfilling career also provides meaning, belonging, mastery, predictability, and status. Without those elements, financial success alone can still lead to burnout.
                Notable Quotes

                • "I like to describe it like a board of directors."

                • "Most of the times I look for people who come prepared for it because they get more out of it."

                • "Work is about how you make money. Yes, that's a very important part of it, and nobody's gonna work for free. However, there are five other factors that we think about."
                  Connect with Abhijit Bhaduri:

                • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abhijitbhaduri/

                • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abhijitbhaduri/

                • Other: AIdentity — Abhijit's latest book

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                  26 min
                • CO-HOST | Make Money and the Rise of Prediction Markets

                  In this episode of the Travis Makes Money Podcast, Travis and producer Eric break down the growing controversy surrounding prediction markets like Polymarket and Kalshi, including New York's lawsuit alleging that Polymarket is operating an unlicensed gambling operation. They discuss whether prediction markets are really different from traditional sports betting, how these platforms could introduce gambling to new demographics, the challenges of enforcing age restrictions, and where the line should be drawn between personal freedom, regulation, and protecting people from addictive behaviors. They also explore the bigger question of how entrepreneurs can ethically market products and businesses built around potentially harmful vices.

                  On this episode we talk about:

                  • New York's lawsuit against Polymarket and the ongoing battle over whether prediction markets constitute gambling

                  • Why prediction markets may be more susceptible to manipulation than traditional sports betting

                  • The challenges of enforcing age restrictions and preventing banned users from accessing gambling platforms

                  • Whether prediction markets are introducing gambling to younger people and new demographics

                  • The ethical challenges of building and marketing businesses around potentially addictive vices

                  • Top 3 Takeaways

                    1. Labels don't necessarily change the underlying behavior. Whether a platform calls itself a prediction market or something else, putting money on a yes-or-no outcome can function very similarly to gambling.

                    2. Regulation needs to account for how people actually behave. Simply banning a platform or raising the minimum age may push users toward unregulated alternatives rather than eliminating the behavior entirely.

                    3. Entrepreneurs have to consider the ethics of what they sell. Travis discusses the tension between building a profitable business around something people enjoy and questioning whether promoting that product encourages an unhealthy behavior.

                    4. Notable Quotes

                      • “They are technically buying futures, but it is gambling.”

                      • “There has to be some sort of like at least coming to terms with the idea that it's like, ‘Okay, well, either you can do it at eighteen or you can't do it at eighteen.’”

                      • “How do you ethically market a vice?”

                      • Connect with Travis Chappell:

                        • Instagram: @travischappell 

                        • Other: travischappell.com

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                          27 min
                        • INTERVIEW | Make Money by Making AI Work for Everyone with Rajeev Kapur

                          Rajeev Kapur is a three-time CEO with three exits, the CEO of 1105 Media, a former member of Dell's leadership team, and an AI advisor focused on making artificial intelligence accessible to everyone—not just the tech elite. During his time at Dell, Rajeev helped build a $1 billion-plus U.S. business and led operations across China and South Asia. He's also the bestselling author of AI Made Simple and Chase Greatness, a CNBC contributor, and an advisor to multiple AI companies and boards. In this episode, Rajeev shares lessons from his unconventional path from 100% commission sales to working directly with Michael Dell, along with his perspective on how businesses should actually approach AI.

                          On this episode we talk about:

                          • Why taking a 100% commission sales job at 22 taught Rajeev self-discipline, sales, and the importance of betting on yourself

                          • How Rajeev went from working in sales at Gateway to becoming one of Michael Dell's early executive assistants and eventually leading major international businesses

                          • Why being aggressive and memorable can help you create opportunities that wouldn't otherwise exist, including the unconventional strategy that landed Rajeev an interview at Dell

                          • The leadership lessons Rajeev learned from Michael Dell, including hiring great people, delegating effectively, and getting out of their way

                          • Why companies need to establish a strong data foundation and get their people involved before investing heavily in AI agents and automation

                          • Top 3 Takeaways

                            1. Bet on yourself when you're already at “no.” Rajeev's decision to FedEx his resume directly to Michael Dell came from a simple realization: he had nothing to lose. His advice is to be aggressive when pursuing an opportunity because rejection doesn't make your situation worse if you're already being overlooked.

                            2. Focus on activity before obsessing over results. Rajeev learned early in sales that revenue is a lag measure while calls, proposals, and other activities are lead measures. Focusing on the actions you can control creates more opportunities for the desired result to follow.

                            3. Don't automate a broken foundation. Rajeev argues that businesses need strong, secure, properly captured, and accessible data before building sophisticated AI agents. Just as importantly, employees need to understand how AI will help them rather than believing it's simply coming for their jobs.

                            4. Notable Quotes

                              • "You've got to go to the job."

                              • "What do you got to lose? You got nothing to lose. What are they gonna say? No. Well you're already at no."

                              • "Most companies fail not because they do the wrong thing. They fail because they did the right thing for too long."

                              • Connect with Rajeev Kapur:

                                • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rajeevkapur1/

                                • Website: Rajeev.ai

                                • Books: Visit Rajeev's website for information about his upcoming books- Intelligence as a Commodity; Liberated by Limits; Your New Health OS

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                                  29 min
                                • CO-HOST | Make Money by Networking Your Way Into Opportunities

                                  In this episode of the Travis Makes Money Podcast, Travis and producer Eric unpack the growing debate around AI and the job market, especially why recent college graduates are struggling to find entry-level work. They discuss whether AI is actually responsible for rising unemployment, how remote work and a low-hire economy are changing the job search, and why sending hundreds of applications may be one of the least effective ways to land a job. Travis also explains why relationships, networking, and weak ties can create opportunities that applications never will, while the conversation takes a turn into nepotism, real estate, and the advantages of growing up around people who already understand business.

                                  On this episode we talk about:

                                  • Whether AI is actually responsible for rising unemployment and underemployment among recent college graduates

                                  • Why companies are in a “low-hire, low-fire” environment and what that means for first-time job seekers

                                  • How AI, remote work, outsourcing, and broader economic conditions are changing the entry-level job market

                                  • Why networking and weak ties can be more effective than submitting hundreds of online applications

                                  • The role of nepotism, family influence, and exposure to business in creating opportunities

                                  • Top 3 Takeaways

                                    1. Stop relying solely on job applications. Travis argues that relationships and referrals have always been one of the most effective ways to find opportunities, especially through secondary connections and “weak ties.”

                                    2. Build a wider network, not just a stronger inner circle. Spending time with friends of friends can expose you to people, industries, and opportunities you would never encounter within your existing circle.

                                    3. Recognize the advantages your environment gives you. Growing up around entrepreneurship or investing can make certain opportunities feel more natural and less intimidating, even when you don't realize you're benefiting from that exposure.

                                    4. Notable Quotes

                                      • “Best approach for getting any job ever has always been people.”

                                      • “If you're not going out and getting around friends who bring friends who bring friends, then you're not expanding the circle of opportunity that's coming your way.”

                                      • “What's not a good strategy is going to Indeed and just like throwing out an application to 700 different places and hoping for a hit.”

                                      • Connect with Travis Chappell:

                                        • Instagram: @travischappell 

                                        • Other: travischappell.com

                                        • A Word from Our Sponsors:

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                                          23 min
                                        • INTERVIEW | Make Money by Turning a YouTube Audience Into a Fintech Business with Hariharan Jayakumar

                                          Hariharan Jayakumar is the co-founder of Silo Markets and the creator of Logically Answered, a technology and business media brand with more than 920,000 YouTube subscribers and over 200 million views. Hari started creating YouTube videos at just 10 years old and spent more than a decade consistently building his audience before using that platform as the foundation for a fintech company. In this episode, he shares how consistency helped him grow without a viral moment, how he turned an audience into a business advantage, how he approached venture capital, and the financial philosophy that led him to reinvest nearly all of his income into building Silo Markets.

                                          On this episode we talk about:

                                          • How Hari built Logically Answered from zero to more than 920,000 YouTube subscribers through years of consistent content creation

                                          • Why the first 10,000 subscribers were the hardest to reach and why consistency matters more than a single viral moment

                                          • How Hari turned his YouTube experience and audience-building skills into Silo Markets, a fintech platform that rewards customers with points for holding stocks and ETFs

                                          • Hari's extreme approach to saving and reinvesting, including saving more than 99% of his income and putting hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own money into Silo

                                          • How Hari built a network of founders and investors through YouTube that eventually helped him meet hundreds of venture capitalists and raise $7.2 million across three rounds

                                          • Top 3 Takeaways

                                            1. Consistency compounds. Hari's YouTube growth wasn't driven by one viral video or lucky break. His first 1,000 subscribers took nine months, his first 10,000 took nearly three years, and the growth accelerated after he built a strong foundation.

                                            2. Build distribution before you need it. By creating relationships with founders through his YouTube channel, Hari developed a network that eventually connected him with 300 VCs, leading to 150 first meetings, dozens of second and third meetings, and six offers.

                                            3. Choose business partners with complementary skills. Hari intentionally partnered with someone whose strengths in finance, compliance, and legal work balanced his own focus on marketing, fundraising, go-to-market, and engineering.

                                            4. Notable Quotes

                                              • "There was never a viral moment. It was always just, you know, step by step getting subscriber by subscriber."

                                              • "I was saving ninety-nine percent plus of my income."

                                              • "The number one thing is building your network."

                                              • Connect with Hariharan Jayakumar:

                                                • LinkedIn: Hariharan Jayakumar on LinkedIn

                                                • Silo Markets: silomarkets.com  **special sign up bonus: silomarkets.com/ben

                                                • Logically Answered: Logically Answered

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                                                  - Scribe captures workflows as work happens and automatically generates step-by-step guides with screenshots and instructions, so no one has to sit down and write documentation from scratch. Learn more at scribe.how/tmm and mention Travis Makes Money for your first month of Scribe Capture free on select plans.

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                                                  25 min
                                                • CO-HOST | Make Money: Disney, AI, and the Future of Creativity

                                                  In this episode, Travis and producer Eric discuss Disney’s appointment of former Character.AI CEO Karandeep Anand as its first Chief Technology Officer and what the move could mean for the company’s approach to artificial intelligence. They explore the tension between using AI to increase efficiency and production while preserving the human creativity and craftsmanship that make entertainment meaningful. The conversation also examines the growing tendency for companies to add “AI” to products and services as a way to signal innovation, even when the underlying technology may not be particularly new.

                                                  On this episode we talk about:

                                                  • Disney appointing former Character.AI CEO Karandeep Anand as its first Chief Technology Officer

                                                  • How Disney plans to use AI, technology, data, and infrastructure across the company

                                                  • The tension between AI-driven efficiency and human creativity in entertainment

                                                  • Whether companies are using “AI” as a marketing label to appear innovative

                                                  • The potential benefits and drawbacks of using AI to lower production costs and create more entertainment

                                                  • Top 3 Takeaways

                                                    1. Technology should serve creativity, not replace it. AI can be useful for research, medicine, efficiency, and other applications, but there is a meaningful distinction between using technology as a tool and using it to replace human creative work.

                                                    2. “AI” can become a marketing buzzword. The conversation highlights how companies may add AI branding to existing technologies or processes because they don't want to appear behind the curve, potentially creating the perception of innovation without a major underlying change.

                                                    3. Lower costs could create new opportunities—but also disrupt creative careers. AI could potentially make it cheaper and faster to produce high-quality entertainment, but that efficiency may come at the expense of jobs for talented creative professionals.

                                                    4. Notable Quotes

                                                      • "I love looking at something going like, How did a human make this?"

                                                      • "I don't hate all things AI. I hate all the ways AI is getting utilized."

                                                      • "The only like positive for me is like if it can decrease the cost to produce awesome shit, like and you can produce a higher volume of really good stuff."

                                                      • Connect with Travis Chappell:

                                                        • Instagram: @travischappell 

                                                        • Other: travischappell.com

                                                        • A Word from Our Sponsors:

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                                                          - Scribe captures workflows as work happens and automatically generates step-by-step guides with screenshots and instructions, so no one has to sit down and write documentation from scratch. Learn more at scribe.how/tmm and mention Travis Makes Money for your first month of Scribe Capture free on select plans.

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                                                          25 min
                                                        • INTERVIEW | Make Money Building a Business That Creates Freedom with Clayton Tomasino

                                                          Clayton Tomasino is the CEO of Scorpion Protective Coatings, a family-founded Indiana manufacturer that has grown into a five-time Inc. 5000 company with a dealer network of roughly 2,000 shops nationwide. Clayton has helped expand the company from protective coatings into window film, paint protection film, cutting software, and emerging smart film technologies. In this episode, he shares how he helped transform a small family business into a growing company, why low barriers to entry can create powerful entrepreneurial opportunities, and how entrepreneurs can find ways to pursue their passions while building profitable businesses.

                                                          On this episode we talk about:

                                                          • Growing up working in his family's businesses and learning the value of hard work

                                                          • How Clayton helped transform a small truck-bedliner business into a diversified manufacturing company

                                                          • Finding passion and purpose within traditional or "unsexy" businesses

                                                          • Using marketing, free channels, and outside experts to grow a business without becoming dependent on them

                                                          • How window tinting can be a low-cost side hustle with the potential to become a full-time business

                                                          • Top 3 Takeaways

                                                            1. Build a bridge between what you're good at and what you're passionate about. You don't necessarily need to turn your favorite hobby into a career. Finding something you enjoy within a business—like solving problems, creating products, or innovating—can make traditional businesses much more fulfilling.

                                                            2. Don't outsource your learning. Clayton recommends using experts to help get a new initiative off the ground, but then taking what you learn and bringing that knowledge back into the business. Think of outsourcing as education rather than permanent dependency.

                                                            3. Start small and prove the concept before taking on major risk. Whether it's window tinting or another service business, entrepreneurs can test an idea from a garage or as a side hustle before committing to an expensive location, equipment, or full-time business.

                                                            4. Notable Quotes

                                                              • "If I could show them anything, it would be kind of how to do that in their own lives."

                                                              • "The product isn't gonna promote itself."

                                                              • "A dream is not going to come to you by wishing it's going to happen. The dream is that you're putting it in your head and you're taking the steps to get there."

                                                              • Connect with Clayton Tomasino:

                                                                • Website: Scorpion Protective Coatings

                                                                • LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/claytontomasino/

                                                                • A Word from Our Sponsors:

                                                                  - The most successful business owners don't do it all themselves — they delegate. Upwork lets you build a team of highly skilled specialists for every function your business needs, so you can focus on what you do best and let experts handle the rest. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free!

                                                                  - Scribe captures workflows as work happens and automatically generates step-by-step guides with screenshots and instructions, so no one has to sit down and write documentation from scratch. Learn more at scribe.how/tmm and mention Travis Makes Money for your first month of Scribe Capture free on select plans.

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                                                                  30 min
                                                                • CO-HOST | Make Money Without Selling Your Values

                                                                  Travis and producer Eric continue their conversation about the allegations surrounding Life Surge and the broader questions raised by celebrity endorsements and high-ticket business opportunities. They discuss how much responsibility public figures should take when lending their names and credibility to products, companies, or events they may not fully understand. Travis also explains why he believes mixing religious authority with aggressive business sales can become especially problematic, while the conversation expands into the broader question of how much money it would take to promote something you don't believe in—and where personal values should draw the line.

                                                                  On this episode we talk about:

                                                                  • How much responsibility celebrities and influencers have when endorsing businesses and products

                                                                  • Whether public figures can reasonably claim they didn't know how a company operated behind the scenes

                                                                  • The potential dangers of combining religious authority with high-pressure business sales

                                                                  • Why testimonials and success stories can make questionable business opportunities appear more credible

                                                                  • The ethical line between making money from an endorsement and promoting something that could genuinely harm people

                                                                  • Top 3 Takeaways

                                                                    1. Your reputation is part of what you're selling. When public figures lend their name and credibility to a company, the audience may trust the offer partly because of who is promoting it. That makes understanding what you're endorsing increasingly important as your influence grows.

                                                                    2. Keep religious authority and financial persuasion separate. Travis argues that using faith as leverage in a sales environment can create a particularly powerful form of pressure, especially when people are encouraged to make major financial decisions based on promises connected to their beliefs.

                                                                    3. Decide what you're willing to promote before the paycheck arrives. The conversation highlights the importance of knowing your own ethical boundaries—because once the money is on the table, it can become much harder to determine whether an opportunity is worth taking.

                                                                    4. Notable Quotes

                                                                      • “I just don't like the weaponization of any religious institution and then mixing that into a business context.”

                                                                      • “If you have a certain level of fame and influence, I don't think you can 100% just go, ‘I didn't know.’”

                                                                      • “I'd rather just not have as much money and be able to go, ‘I don't wanna do the things that person's doing.’”

                                                                      • Connect with Travis Chappell:

                                                                        • Instagram: @travischappell 

                                                                        • Other: travischappell.com

                                                                        • A Word from Our Sponsors:

                                                                          - The most successful business owners don't do it all themselves — they delegate. Upwork lets you build a team of highly skilled specialists for every function your business needs, so you can focus on what you do best and let experts handle the rest. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free!

                                                                          - Scribe captures workflows as work happens and automatically generates step-by-step guides with screenshots and instructions, so no one has to sit down and write documentation from scratch. Learn more at scribe.how/tmm and mention Travis Makes Money for your first month of Scribe Capture free on select plans.

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                                                                          23 min
                                                                        • INTERVIEW | Make Money by Building Systems That Actually Work with Ben Meer

                                                                          Ben Meer is a writer, speaker, coach, and the “Systems Guy.” His weekly newsletter, System Sunday, reaches more than 250,000 subscribers, and his social media following has grown to more than two million people. He also coaches founders and CEOs on productivity, systems thinking, and intentional living. A former management consultant with an MBA from Cornell University, Ben is the author of How to Be Good at Life: Simple Systems to Achieve More and Stress Less, where he explores how simple, repeatable systems can help people make meaningful progress without relying on motivation alone.

                                                                          On this episode we talk about:

                                                                          • How selling Pokémon stickers in first grade sparked Ben's entrepreneurial streak

                                                                          • Why Ben's first business failed and how systems thinking helped him transform his life

                                                                          • The difference between motivation and systems—and why motivation isn't reliable enough to build your life around

                                                                          • How to create a weekly planning system that prioritizes high-leverage work and income-producing activities

                                                                          • Why systems should create more freedom, connection, and joy rather than turning your life into an optimization project

                                                                          • Top 3 Takeaways

                                                                            1. Don't rely on motivation when you can build a system. Motivation fades, but a well-designed system can turn good intentions into consistent action.

                                                                            2. Protect your highest-leverage time. Use a weekly planning session to identify the activities that actually move your income, career, and life forward, then schedule and protect time for them.

                                                                            3. Build systems for the life you actually want. Systems aren't the goal—they're the infrastructure. Whether it's saving money, getting healthier, doing focused work, or spending quality time with someone you love, the right system should make the desired behavior easier and more consistent.

                                                                            4. Notable Quotes

                                                                              • "You don't need more inspiration. You really need better life infrastructure."

                                                                              • "When the game is rigged, you don't want to be relying on willpower or motivation. You need better design."

                                                                              • "It's not really about the system, it's about the life on the other side of it."

                                                                              • Connect with Ben Meer:

                                                                                • LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/benmeer/

                                                                                • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/benmeer/

                                                                                • Book: How to Be Good at Life

                                                                                • Other: BenMeer.com/SystemSunday — Ben's System Sunday newsletter

                                                                                • A Word from Our Sponsors:

                                                                                  - The most successful business owners don't do it all themselves — they delegate. Upwork lets you build a team of highly skilled specialists for every function your business needs, so you can focus on what you do best and let experts handle the rest. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free!

                                                                                  - Scribe captures workflows as work happens and automatically generates step-by-step guides with screenshots and instructions, so no one has to sit down and write documentation from scratch. Learn more at scribe.how/tmm and mention Travis Makes Money for your first month of Scribe Capture free on select plans.

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                                                                                  30 min

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