I’m so grateful to our friend Mike Kelsey for hosting, creating, and curating this week’s podcast episodes!

Today, Mike chats with his friend and fellow pastor Mitchel Lee about his experience being an Asian American pastor of a predominately white megachurch, his journey of racial identity, and dynamics between the Black and Asian community. And yes, Pastor Mitchel's book, Even If: Trusting God When Life Disappoints, Overwhelms, or Just Doesn't Make Sense, IMMEDIATELY went into my Amazon cart after listening to this conversation.

Here’s a playlist with every Mike Kelsey episode of the podcast from the past few years!

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NYTimes bestselling Christian author, speaker, and host of the That Sounds Fun Podcast, Annie F. Downs shares with you some of her favorite things: new books, faith conversations, entertainers not to miss, and interviews with friends.

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