At its purest, this podcast trafficks in the kind of art that requires sustained evangelizing to ensnare a new fan. Works of art so maligned, so… memed that it’s difficult to tell on first watch if true fans like it earnestly or ironically. Rose has been trying to get Fran to love and appreciate Twilight for years. They did finally watch it together after many botched attempts, but Fran still isn’t convinced. So Rose recruited today’s guest, famous Twihard and writer Peyton Dix to help her persuade Fran of the beauty and complexity of everything Twilight: the movies mainly but also the books they’re based on, the soundtracks, the wigs, the Mormon sensibility, and many other inane details that make Twilight singular and maddening. Virgin challenge: if you’ve never consumed Twilight, try to listen to this episode and not immediately go watch it.

Plus, Fran’s favorite sensi superhero, Rose’s favorite new show Yellowjackets, how to remember your problematic fave fantasy franchises, and a generous and hopeful recap of that very go piss girl episode of And Just Like That.

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