Two Point Conversion with BYU Football: A Gospel Discussion Podcast

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts welcome former BYU gymnast Chiara Andrew, who left her dream college program to compete for the Philippine national gymnastics team. The trio digs into Isaiah 58–66, exploring the purpose of fasting, what it means to make the Sabbath a delight when your schedule says otherwise, and how keeping Christ at the center opens doors you never saw coming. Chiara shares her journey from BYU to qualifying for World Championships in Rotterdam, how fasting as a young girl built the faith that carried her through one of the biggest decisions of her life, and why gymnastics is just the platform for something bigger.

Connor and Trevor Pay sit down with Joel and Rose Chibota — Trevor's former mission leaders in Alabama and two of the most influential people in his life. Sister Chibota was recently called as the Primary General President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, making this conversation especially timely.

The Chibotas share their remarkable conversion stories from Zimbabwe — from a young girl's inspired question about what God looks like, to a dream leading a frustrated young man to a chapel he'd never seen before — and how those experiences shaped their lifelong ministry of leading others to the Savior.

Together, the group studies Isaiah chapters 50 through 57, exploring themes of trusting the Lord's timing, recognizing His hand in our lives, and making the Atonement personal. Trevor opens up about his journey as a preferred walk-on at BYU, learning to trust God when the path doesn't match the plan.

Fresh off a bye week, Connor and Chase are back in the studio with returning guest Tanner Wall to dive into Isaiah 40–49 and the powerful shift from judgment to comfort, hope, and redemption. The conversation kicks off with BYU football — Kalani Sitake's unwavering principles (yes, including the end-of-game debates), a player-led culture that's turned the program into a powerhouse, and why staying process-oriented matters more than style points. Then things get personal as Tanner and Chase open up about their NFL journeys — the highs of signing with the same team, the gut-punch of being released, injuries, identity crises, and what it really looks like to "wait upon the Lord" when life doesn't go according to plan.

Connor and Chase are joined by BYU professor and friend Hank Smith to tackle one of scripture's most intimidating — and most quoted — books: Isaiah. Chase opens up about being waived injured by the Raiders and shares what rehab, new team workouts, and finding blessings in adversity have looked like. Then the three dive into Isaiah 1–12 for this week's Come, Follow Me, covering how to approach Isaiah without being overwhelmed, the history of scattering and gathering, why Nephi loved Isaiah's words, and what it means to turn your sword into a plow. Hank walks through Isaiah's temple vision in chapter 6, the prophet's call and cleansing, and the hopeful promise in chapters 11–12 that God will gather His people — and gather you, personally.

No full episode this week — Connor Pay checks in with a quick update on why Two Point Conversion is on a brief hiatus. They apologize for the missed week and encourage listeners to dive into this week's Come, Follow Me lesson.

This week on Two Point Conversion, Connor and Chase are joined by special guest Ethan Thomason, an offensive lineman on the BYU football team, to dive into the Book of Psalms (Psalms 102–150). The conversation centers on the theme that the Lord can comfort us in our sufferings—and how life's journey, with all its ups and downs, mirrors the psalms themselves.

Chase shares updates from NFL training camp with the Raiders, including his growing appreciation for special teams and what it's teaching him about trusting God's plan over his own. Ethan opens up about the difficult stretch of injuries that have marked his college career—including a torn ACL suffered just as things were looking up—and how Psalm 102's "prayer of the afflicted" took on deeply personal meaning.

The three discuss what it means to fall in love with the process, and to recognize His hand in the small, everyday moments. Connor shares his practice of recording "Lord's hand journals" as voice memos—his own modern-day Psalm 119—and ties it all together with Brad Wilcox's reminder that we're not earning heaven, we're learning heaven.

Chase Roberts returns to the podcast with Connor Pay after missing last week's episode — for good reason. Chase made his first NFL catch in a preseason game with the Raiders, and he walks us through the play, the nerves, and what training camp mistakes taught him about growth and resilience. The duo also welcome BYU linebacker Siale Esera to the show. Siale shares his journey from American Samoa to Provo, how he ended up at BYU, and what fall camp has been like under a new defensive scheme.

Then they dive into this week's Come, Follow Me reading in the Psalms (chapters 49–86). We talk redemption, repentance, and what it means to "create in me a clean heart." Chase opens up about how learning to embrace mistakes on the football field has deepened his understanding of the Savior's grace. Siale shares a powerful story about his father Peter's conversion to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — a story of family, faith, ridicule, and a grandmother's quiet reassurance that changed everything.

Connor Pay is joined by guest co-host Trevor Pay and special guest Professor Ryan Sharp, Associate Department Chair of Ancient Scripture at BYU, for a deep dive into the Book of Psalms — the first week of their Come, Follow Me study in the Old Testament's most beloved collection of songs, prayers, and poetry.

Ryan guides the discussion through the Psalms, exploring how these 150 ancient hymns capture every dimension of the human experience with God. The trio also discusses topics like the power of music to shape our hearts and what it means to study scripture "sacramentally" — connecting heart and soul with God.

This week's episode is unlike any other. Connor and Chase sit down with actress and Israeli ambassador Diane Nea for a wide-ranging conversation that mirrors the Book of Job.

Diane shares her extraordinary life story: from a decade-plus on Law & Order: SVU to losing everything. She talks about making aliyah and becoming an Israeli citizen, living in Israel during wartime, and finding herself in an unlikely role: literally gathering Israel as an ambassador for the Jewish homeland.

Along the way, Diane draws stunning parallels to the Book of Job — the suffering that can't be explained, the friends who assume you must have done something wrong, and the enduring faith that carries you through anyway.

Connor Pay and Chase Roberts sit down with Liz Darger — Senior Associate Athletic Director at BYU — to dive into the Book of Esther from the Come, Follow Me curriculum.

Liz shares her remarkable journey from Boise, Idaho to BYU's athletic department: a path shaped not by careful planning, but by a series of unexpected nudges from God, coaches, and mentors. Along the way, the three discuss what it means to show up with courage in a male-dominated industry, why God's hand is often most visible in hindsight, and how Esther's story mirrors the experiences of modern missionaries and everyday believers.