Dr Charles Massy joins me to discuss regenerative agriculture and the five basic functions for ecological literary. We chat about why this important for farmers but also what this means for the city dweller. And why pesticides such as Roundup are being found in your beer. This is a beautiful story of hope and how indivisible humans are with Mother Earth.
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Dr. Ron Ehrlich: Hello and welcome to Unstress. My name's Dr. Ron Ehrlich. Today's podcast, wait for it, is about the future survival of the earth and humanity. A big topic, I'll give you that, and if ever there was an understatement, that was it. But my guest today is a fifth-generation farmer who has written a fabulous book [Call of the Reed Warbler] on regenerative agriculture, and has not only asked some very difficult questions, but he's also come up with some solutions that are relevant to you and me in ways you may have or not have even considered.
What is regenerative agriculture? In order to understand it, you've got to understand how almost all of our food in the Western World is produced and the effect it's having, not just on our health, but the health of the land. More specifically, the soil, which it's worth remembering is a finite resource. There's a limit. If you're saying to yourself, "Don't worry about it," you think they'll get it all sorted out." Well, the current trends of epidemic preventable degenerative diseases, if that's anything to go by, and I repeat, preventable, well, I think we need to all think again.
The alternative, or rather the norm, in our world is that we've got a very mechanistic industrialized approach to agriculture with its concentration on very technological solutions. It's been that way dominating Western society for over three centuries, over this whole scientific era. This way of thinking has led to a practice of industrialized farming marked by heavy use of machinery, pesticides, and artificial fertilizers. The monopoly of this form of farming has led to a very, very sad situation. We've got degraded soils, reduced productivity, financial hardships for farmers, and a very, very high, above average suicide rate.
While we're at it, for us, the consumer, it's led to what is seemingly cheap food. I say seemingly because you need to factor in the flow-on costs of medical expenses and environmental degradation, so we're kidding ourselves if we think food is cheap. To that I would add, as Charles points out in my discussion with him, to an overabundant supply of calorie-high and nutrient-poor food, which in turn has led to this epidemic in preventable chronic degenerative diseases like cancer, heart disease. There are now over 80 autoimmune diseases. That is the body attacking itself. Not to mention diabetes and obesity, and if all this is connected to what we are talking about today.
This really is a story for us all. Particularly, for those that have any interest in the survival of the earth, and for that matter, humanity. I hope that includes all of us, and I hope you enjoy my conversation with Dr. Charles Massy.
Welcome to the show, Charles.
Dr. Charles Massy: Thanks very much. Great to be here.
Dr. Ron Ehrlich: Charles, one of the things that's often intrigued me is that homo sapiens as a species have been around for 200, maybe 300,000 years, and we're always told genetically we haven't changed that much. But something happened 10,000 or so years ago that started the agricultural revolution. Something prompted that or allowed that to happen, which has seen us take over the world. What was it?
Dr. Charles Massy: That's a point that directly relates to what we're talking about, but the fact that we haven't changed much, of course, isn't true. We're constantly evolving, especially with new forms of genetics like epigenetics and stuff. Getting back to that, the homo sapiens, yes,