CATEGORY IS: ABANDONMENT 

  Remember the scene in Dreamgirls where Effie is pleading with Curtis to stay? Queue "And I am Telling You I'm Not Going" So move over, Alanis, because, in this episode, we get familiar with everyone's favorite Dreamgirl: Abandonment. As one of the deepest wounds, Abandonment can have so much power in the way we see ourselves and the world around us while dictating our every move. Arnold walks through how he discovered his abandonment wounds were causing his behavior to repel those closest to him, thus only deepening the wound. Grey explains how his fear of rejection and Abandonment forced him to overcompensate by being an anxious people pleaser. Together they conclude that rejection is a necessary part of the karmic wheel – providing us a moment that reminds us to center back to ourselves and see how WE aren't serving ourselves. So forget Mr. Taylor and look in that mirror and channel Miss Effie as you shout, "I'm staying, I'm staying, And you, and you, and you, You're gonna love MEEEEE!!!!!"  

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CATEGORY IS: REPRESENTATION   R-E-P-R-E-S-E-N-T! Find out what it means to me…well, what it means to us! In this episode, Arnold & Grey explore the role and impact of representation in the world, or the lack thereof,  in their lives. The ability to see oneself reflected in the world around them can be validating and inspiring – but what happens when that's not the case? Grey discusses how glimpses of representation can often come through as saturated stereotypes – that don't always feel applicable and have made him question his own identity and relationship with said stereotype. Arnold explains how lack of visibility into alternative stories drives his yearning for more, but also helped him recognize those in power writing these stories are creating a funhouse mirror to reflect how others expect us to be rather than who we are in reality. Knowing that the mirror is warped & creating dissent – but also helps to recognize which parts of your identity need validation. For instance: MENTAL HEALTH! Queue the Alanis Morissette! Together, your hosts realize that representation can be galvanizing and provide power, and sometimes it's up to you to pick up that charge. So if you don't see it now, perhaps it's an opportunity for you to become that representation & be that mirror for someone else. In the end, we all belong and deserve to be wherever we want, so TAKE UP SPACE AND REPRESENT HEAUX!!! 

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CATEGORY IS: TRUST YO SELF  Did you leave your stove on? No? Are you sure? Girl, you better double-check! In this episode, Arnold and Grey explore how they second guess themselves & self-trust can be such a trial. If Alanis is Anxiety, and Mariah is happiness, then Trust has to be Michelle from Destiny's Child. You know you CAN trust her to show up – but that fall on 106 & Park makes you second-guess her ability to get it together.  Arnold discusses how growing up in a family where issues were never addressed makes him LOSE HIS BREATH when trying to trust his emotions. Grey goes into how constantly being reminded of his mistakes by his family now makes him second guess his own decisions and act like a BUG-A-BOO with himself. Together, the two realize that sometimes you become your own SOLDIER and not be afraid to stand up for yourself. Sometimes, you have gotta SAY YES and show yourself some compassion and Trust that you got this girl BECAUSE YOU DO! So let yourself flotsam and jetsam about – because sometimes that's needed to create the world you want because a bit of destruction is necessary when you're trying to CATER 2 U! 

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CATEGORY IS: HAPPINESS 

You know that moment when something great happiness but your anxious ass is still like, "What's the catch?" What's with that? In this episode, Arnold & Grey explore their complex relationship with happiness & why it's so hard to fully commit to it. So if anxiety is Alanis Morissette, then joy has to be Mariah Carey – you love her when she comes on, but by the 5th time you've heard "All I Want for Christmas is You" you want to scream! Arnold discusses how his relationship with happiness can feel co-dependent, to the point where he can feel a little Obsessed with her, but comes to realization that she is a part of him indefinitely. Grey explores how Mariah is a state of being rather than a feeling – where even when things are shit, one can find contentment with the current experience with just a bit of perspective. Together the two discover that while Mariah is the Moment (now c'mon now)– it's necessary to put this Spotify playlist of life on shuffle because that's what it truly means to be alive! Sometimes that One Sweet Day can turn into a Heartbreaker – AND THAT'S THE REAL FANTASY OF LIFE! However, when Mariah comes, then you need to hit them runs, girl! Because when you surrender to happiness, you get to feel your whistle-tone Fantasy!  

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