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After watching the blockbuster hit "Ocean’s 8" and BBC America’s cat-and-mouse drama "Killing Eve," we noticed some similarities in these leading women - they’re all “bad.” They’re indulgent and driven. They care about their work more than your feelings. They perform for each other more than they do for men (do they even perform for men?). They’re complicated and that’s why we like them. So we wonder: is our current cultural climate — specifically around this #MeToo moment — making space for more dynamic women characters?
Discussed this week:
Philadelphia Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins uses signs to advocate for criminal justice reform
Actor Ari'el Stachel delivers moving speech at the 72nd annual Tony Awards
"The Man Behind the Music of 'Broad City'" (Stacey Anderson, The New York Times, March 22, 2016)
"This is America” (Childish Gambino, 2018)
"All Mine" (Kanye West, 2018)
"Why 'You are loved' & 'please reach out' are crappy things to post after someone has died by suicide" (Deanna Zandt, Medium, June 8, 2018)
The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline - 800-273-8255
"Dykes to Watch Out For" (Alison Bechdel, 1983-2008)
"Ocean's 8" (dir: Gary Ross, Warner Bros., 2018)
"Killing Eve" (Sid Gentle Films, 2018)
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After watching the blockbuster hit "Ocean’s 8" and BBC America’s cat-and-mouse drama "Killing Eve," we noticed some similarities in these leading women - they’re all “bad.” They’re indulgent and driven. They care about their work more than your feelings. They perform for each other more than they do for men (do they even perform for men?). They’re complicated and that’s why we like them. So we wonder: is our current cultural climate — specifically around this #MeToo moment — making space for more dynamic women characters?
Discussed this week:
Philadelphia Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins uses signs to advocate for criminal justice reform
Actor Ari'el Stachel delivers moving speech at the 72nd annual Tony Awards
"The Man Behind the Music of 'Broad City'" (Stacey Anderson, The New York Times, March 22, 2016)
"This is America” (Childish Gambino, 2018)
"All Mine" (Kanye West, 2018)
"Why 'You are loved' & 'please reach out' are crappy things to post after someone has died by suicide" (Deanna Zandt, Medium, June 8, 2018)
The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline - 800-273-8255
"Dykes to Watch Out For" (Alison Bechdel, 1983-2008)
"Ocean's 8" (dir: Gary Ross, Warner Bros., 2018)
"Killing Eve" (Sid Gentle Films, 2018)
Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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